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Anniel

Volver you are always right! Well in this case it is you and yout lefty friends who
are deluded. Nobody needs the nanny state to tell them to keep
Out of the sun to stay hydrated and take extra care in hot weather. The nanny state is not required.There is a cabal of you on this board who are mainly interested in attacking Botis Johnson and anything Tory. A few grans dont need yout declarations. I never hear you denouncing the SNP men who were thrown out of the Commons for disgraceful behaviour. Nor of the problems Nicola Sturgeon has in Scotland. We will soon have s new PM and no doubt you will soon be telling us what an incompetent that PM is too. You, Maizie,Varian and WWM2 will soon be on the case. I cannot wait NOT!

I disappointed that you haven't included me in your list. I must try harder.

Petera?

I think the UK should look at other countries as to the running of trains. It was over 41 degrees yesterday and the trains at the end of my garden were still running. In Paris, the weather is continental, colder in winter and hotter in summer than London, but there is no freezing of points, leaves on line or rails suffering heat conditions.
Admittedly they stopped in some places because the fear of the electrical sparks causing fires.

^ no doubt you will soon be telling us what an incompetent that PM is too. You, Maizie,Varian and WWM2 will soon be on the case. I cannot wait NOT!^

As the next PM will be one of the current contenders for the leadership of the tory party, who have so far demonstrated absolutely no concern or solutions for the problems which actually face the UK, I can assure you, Anniel that your prediction will be absolutely correct

MaizieD

^ no doubt you will soon be telling us what an incompetent that PM is too. You, Maizie,Varian and WWM2 will soon be on the case. I cannot wait NOT!^

As the next PM will be one of the current contenders for the leadership of the tory party, who have so far demonstrated absolutely no concern or solutions for the problems which actually face the UK, I can assure you, Anniel that your prediction will be absolutely correct

... LOL!

Spot on, MaizieD!

I haven't been on Gransnet for a long time but this topic interested me. However, I can't understand why some people seem determined to come to the defence of a man who is not doing the job he is being paid to do. The man is not on garden leave. He's supposed to be doing the job until September. He's being paid and has all the perks and privileges. If he doesn't want to do the job then he should officially resign and leave it to Dominic Raab to nurse the country through to the official change over. I have no objection to him keeping the job but I object to contributing to pay him when he's not fulfilling his duties. This is nothing to do with my politics or whether or not I like the man. It's a matter of principle. No one in this country gets paid for doing nothing. Before anyone claims that the unemployed don't work, I would remind them that they are obliged to prove that they are actively seeking work and if not, or they miss an appointment at the Job Centre, no matter how reasonable the excuse, they will be sanctioned by having part or all of their benefit removed for a fixed period.

Boris Johnson is not above the rules.

We will have to start inventing a new meta- language, all the heightening of catastrophe and fear has become mundane. No doubt tonights Alarm will be ‘Devastating Storms bringing destruction and floods’ it’s all gotten too ridiculous for words.

I can't be bothered with this thread any more.

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Annie1 The fact that people are drowning and undoubtedly some will die of heat stroke or heat exhaustion, rather suggests that people do need to be reminded of how to deal with what are the highest temperatures ever recorded in this country and experienced by many people in urban areas, trapped in small flats designed to keep heat in, not let it out.

If you had read some of the stories of families, with members with respiratory problems. struggling to keep cool and well in small flats, where all the windows face south or are above busy city streets, you would understand they need all the help and advice they can get to try to keep cool and out of A&E.

It is fine for the educated, healthy older people, a description, that probably applies to most GN members by default to be superior about the nanny state, but not everybody has our advantages.

M0nica

Annie1 The fact that people are drowning and undoubtedly some will die of heat stroke or heat exhaustion, rather suggests that people do need to be reminded of how to deal with what are the highest temperatures ever recorded in this country and experienced by many people in urban areas, trapped in small flats designed to keep heat in, not let it out.

If you had read some of the stories of families, with members with respiratory problems. struggling to keep cool and well in small flats, where all the windows face south or are above busy city streets, you would understand they need all the help and advice they can get to try to keep cool and out of A&E.

It is fine for the educated, healthy older people, a description, that probably applies to most GN members by default to be superior about the nanny state, but not everybody has our advantages.

Oh well said MOnica.

I was glad to see you back vampirequeen your post is spot on.

Thanks Ilovecheese

It is fine for the educated, healthy older people, a description, that probably applies to most GN members by default to be superior about the nanny state, but not everybody has our advantages.

Absolutely. How many on here work in foundries, or dig roads, or work on farms? I have sat all day with the doors open and a fan pointing at me, eating salad and ice cream with water literally on tap. I am thinking of going for a short walk in a minute as the sun has gone down a bit, but I can come and go as I please - lucky me.

Not everyone can do any of those things. It doesn't make them stupid, or in need of nannying - it's just that their circumstances are different.

Joseanne

I don't understand how if the Cobra meeting resulted in the DfE telling schools they've got to stay open, people are suggesting that at the other end of the scale more old people will die. The same importance should be attached to both so I'm assuming the country will cope with a few days of excessive heat. Everyone has been made aware.

The schools were asked to stay open to safeguard the welfare of the children. At last someone has realised the importance of this vital role schools play.

For all those dismissing the concerns about the heatwave I would remind you of 2003. That summer over 14,000 elderly people died from the heat in France according to the French National institute for Health. The UN Office for Disaster Risk Reduction estimated the number of heat related deaths in Europe at 72,000.

One of the underlying reasons for so many deaths is that the French and Italians for example (I don't know about the other countries) went on their hols leaving their elderly relatives at home, often alone. They weren't all living in care homes. The French were shocked at the number of deaths and since then have reminded the population to be aware of their elderly neighbours.

Apparently 2003 was the hottest summer on record since 1540 but no one was expecting such heat. It is for this reason there are regular reminders of how to deal with the heat.

Alie2Oxon

I can't be bothered with this thread any more.

That's good to know

Anniel

Volver you are always right! Well in this case it is you and yout lefty friends who
are deluded. Nobody needs the nanny state to tell them to keep
Out of the sun to stay hydrated and take extra care in hot weather. The nanny state is not required.There is a cabal of you on this board who are mainly interested in attacking Botis Johnson and anything Tory. A few grans dont need yout declarations. I never hear you denouncing the SNP men who were thrown out of the Commons for disgraceful behaviour. Nor of the problems Nicola Sturgeon has in Scotland. We will soon have s new PM and no doubt you will soon be telling us what an incompetent that PM is too. You, Maizie,Varian and WWM2 will soon be on the case. I cannot wait NOT!

Aw, thanks Annie1. Its nice to be appreciated. ?.

By the way, check out the party that the expelled MPs belong to. (Hint: not SNP). Maybe the nanny state is required to help you understand politics...

vampirequeen Tue 19-Jul-22 13:40:37
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Hello! How are you vq?

@Anniel

You won't hear anybody denouncing the SNP men who were thrown out of the Commons for disgraceful behaviour because they were not SNP men.

However, I'm happy to denounce the current Prime Minister thrown out of his job for persistent lying to Parliament and for being a convicted criminal. I'm very concerned however that it looks likely another convicted criminal will be put in charge of our country. Meanwhile we have Johnson fiddling while London burns........

Sadiq Khan was on London TV asking people not to have BBQs in parks etc as the Fire Brigade have been impossibly stretched by several serious fires yesterday , including several homes burnt down. I suppose people will accuse him of nannying the population, but he came across as eminently sensible - he was appearing after being asked to by the London Fire Brigade. Yes this is an issue , it is a climate emergency which politicians should be taking seriously.

“Tells you everything you need to know about the degradation of the current Tory party that they remove the whip from an MP who did everything he could to try and save the life of a police officer and allow another, credibly accused of sexual assault, to keep it.”

Tweet.

Whitewavemark2

“Tells you everything you need to know about the degradation of the current Tory party that they remove the whip from an MP who did everything he could to try and save the life of a police officer and allow another, credibly accused of sexual assault, to keep it.”

Tweet.

Quite.

But the 'great British public' seem to accept this lack of integrity. According to the clamour on FB - many want Johnson to be re-instated and there's a move by some MPs to devise a way to get him re-instated by adding him to the list of prospective candidates.

He (Johnson) allegedly told one MP that it would take a 'flame thrower' to get him out of office. He is not going to go quietly - his ego won't allow it. In that respect he is like Trump who could not accept that his reign was over and accused the Democrats of 'stealing' the vote. Over here, those opposed to Johnson are now being accused of bullying him out of office.

I find this all quite alarming.

So. The worst PM in living memory who has been hounded out of office by his own party because of his lies and lack of integrity, left the house today being cheered and applauded by the very MP’s that had to get rid of him. They just wanted congratulatory sychofantic questions at his last PMQT and those MP’s (Geraint Davies, Kim Leadbeater) that pointed out his failings were met with a hostile reception from the government benches. Is it just me that can’t make sense of it?