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Why are Union officials today better than our MPs?

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varian Sun 17-Jul-22 13:29:38

I have always thought that Frances O'Grady in her time as the leader of the TUC was an excellent speaker.

Prentice Sun 17-Jul-22 12:08:57

They are not better, but just have different jobs to do.
I feel that all MP’s are being unfairly thought of and treated when they too have a difficult job to do.They could earn much more in most cases by leaving politics and entering other professions.
Some years ago the police were treated in this way, public opinion was so against them because of the actions of a few.
We need MP’s just as we need the police.

Ilovecheese Sun 17-Jul-22 11:44:57

They have also had proper jobs, not just studied ppe and gone to work at Westminster.

Doodledog Sun 17-Jul-22 11:12:04

rosie1959

They should be well informed its what they are paid very large salaries for.
MPs have to have a knowledge of a plethora of subjects not just one

I think it's more that they are genuinely supporting their cause.

Union leaders may have one cause at the centre of their interests, but they have to know about numerous things that impact on that cause, so they are not one-trick ponies.

The difference is that MPs are juggling party policy, popularity and their own beliefs, and these things don't always coincide - in fact they are often in conflict.

MaizieD Sun 17-Jul-22 11:10:17

Sharon Graham of Unite is another outstanding union leader. It's time that company profits and what they are spent on (share buy backs, excessive directors' pay and high dividends to shareholders) were looked at and used to negotiate better deals for the workers who actually make those profits.

Here's my favourite Adam Smith quote again:

No society can surely be happy and flourishing of which the far greater part of its members are poor and miserable. It is but equity, besides, that they who feed, clothe and lodge the whole body of the people, should have such a share of the produce of their own labour as to be themselves tolerably well fed, clothed and lodged

As Smith's work (so called 'Father of Economics') is much used to justify a great deal of capitalist practice it's relevant to point out that he also emphasises the need for fair and equitable dealing for the workers...

Glorianny Sun 17-Jul-22 11:09:53

rosie1959

They should be well informed its what they are paid very large salaries for.
MPs have to have a knowledge of a plethora of subjects not just one

Actually ML and MPs have very similar salaries just over £84k. The difference being MPs also have expense accounts to fund their offices and assistants, not to mention subsidised eating and drinking in the H of C.
But you would imagine that if they were say a minister responsible for the railways they would have some knowledge wouldn't you?

Iam64 Sun 17-Jul-22 11:01:31

Excellent question Glorianny. Mick Lynch is a hero imo. He’s articulate, intelligent and so far as I can see - honest

rosie1959 Sun 17-Jul-22 11:01:26

They should be well informed its what they are paid very large salaries for.
MPs have to have a knowledge of a plethora of subjects not just one

Whitewavemark2 Sun 17-Jul-22 10:58:35

I see Spain is providing free train travel.

They can do so because the trains are nationalised.

Glorianny Sun 17-Jul-22 10:50:51

They seem to come across on TV as honest and well informed individuals who know what they are talking about, are able to discuss and argue sensibly and reasonably. There's Mick Lynch and now Eddie Dempsey. Both of them talking about how profits have risen and money being taken out of the country and how working people are suffering
From Eddie on Jeremy Vine
Asked about the inconveniences the strikes will cause to people, Dempsey replied: “People will find it hard on a strike day but people will find it hard when it’s not a strike day because there’s people in this country spending 18% of their incomes traveling on trains. We’ve got the highest fares in Europe because profiteers have been robbing this country blind for years.

“At the same time, later on in this year, energy prices are going to be so high some of my people will be spending two full months of take home pay on energy and you’re telling us that we’re greedy for expecting workers to keep up with that.”