Now the TV hustings are over, where does that leave us?

I'm not a member of the Conservative Party, have no say at all, so que sera, sera.

#DorisDay

At least they’ve cancelled tonight’s live debate as Truss and Sunak can’t be in the same room without fighting. They are all appalling. Tughenhat is marginally less appalling as he isn’t tainted by working under Johnson and admitted the PM was dishonest. Truss is awful - doesn’t she understand that the Tories have been in power for 12 years? This is why schools and hospitals are in such dire straits. Sunak did well with his furlough exercise back in 2020, but middle England in the shires won’t vote for him. Penny M is a bit of a lightweight really but the hard right seem terrified of her. Bandersnatch, I’m afraid is the worst of a feeble bunch. As soon as she said that Brexit was done at last night’s debate, I realised that this Government are living in a world of make believe.

Well well, it seems Kemi Badenoch is as we speak doing a Uturn on what she's previously said about Net Zero.

Why would anyone support a politician or party who openly says they wants to make health provision worse?

Urmstongran

^This young woman will have lived with one of the worst health care systems in the world in her parents country of Nigeria, so she will be more than aware of the results of poor health care provision.^

Which is maybe why she has chosen to chosen to come over here? Better standard of living for most things for herself & her family. Who would blame her for choosing the wonderful UK? I wouldn’t.

Yes but then to want to inflict a worse health provision on the U.K. seems odd in the extreme.

Truss would be appalling with her slagging off of her outstanding state school

Absolutely that was shocking of her.

This young woman will have lived with one of the worst health care systems in the world in her parents country of Nigeria, so she will be more than aware of the results of poor health care provision.

Which is maybe why she has chosen to chosen to come over here? Better standard of living for most things for herself & her family. Who would blame her for choosing the wonderful UK? I wouldn’t.

doubt if she’d be popular in traditional Tory heartlands or amongst the xenophobic Torykippers

I’m not in one nor of the other vegansrock which is maybe why I like her!
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Small state means no NHS, no social care at the minimum. We would all be expected to find our own provision.

This young woman will have lived with one of the worst health care systems in the world in her parents country of Nigeria, so she will be more than aware of the results of poor health care provision.

She should be ashamed of herself.

Purplepixie

What is the point of having it on TV when we have no say?

Exactly. I'm not impressed with any of these TV debates during elections anyway, as only those in the constituencies of the party leaders can vote for those people. However, we might get some insight into what the parties stand for, and we do have a vote in our own constituencies. In this case, we have no say at all and will have a new PM foisted upon us with perhaps no chance to express an opinion for another 2 years, so why don't they keep their snarling at each other private?

Kemi Bad Enough? Talks about working in McDonalds but doesn’t mention her private education and professional parents. Also she’s not actually done anything but mouth off about others. What is small state? No public services? Whats the point of a government then one might ask. I doubt if she’d be popular in traditional Tory heartlands or amongst the xenophobic Torykippers. Truss would be appalling with her slagging off of her outstanding state school - the only thing failing about it is that Liz Truss went there. Tughenhat is the only one untainted by supporting Johnson and his lies - so he will get knocked out - he’s too decent and honest. They. are a dreadful bunch but I guess that’s what we’ve come to expect.

Kemi Badenoch received a £1,000 donation from one of the few known funders of climate science denial in the UK Michael Hintze, for a ticket to a Conservative party fundraiser last November

For some reason I cannot rid myself of the conviction that Penny Mordaunt (she of the pet Burmese cat fame) is a reincarnation of Mrs. Slocum from 'Are you Being Served?'. Is it the hot weather or has anyone else had that thought?

I still don’t understand why MP’s who boast about their families coming here from another country and doing so well are so opposed to other people coming from other countries and doing the same. I don’t seem to remember an interviewer ever questioning them about it, either.

This:
www.google.com/amp/s/www.indy100.com/amp/tory-leadership-candidates-pros-cons-2657660456

But a personal no to Kemi Badenoch. She has no sympathy (it seems) for anyone seeking asylum, no visible interest in the climate change issue, no real interest in welfare "your family should be your support" and basically I think she comes across as selfish. I found her quite nasty towards other candidates in a way that seemed pointed and personal.
It made me feel what is the matter with this woman?... all I can say is who would want to choose from this bunch.

I would also add that she lies as well as Johnson. Obviously been schooled well.

Kemi Badenoch is the candidate for the future. The others are the candidates of the past. Only Kemi stands a chance of winning the next GE.

She is straight talking - her policies on net zero are sensible ( a very happy contrast to the other candidates) and she is prepared to be up front about them. She has also made thoughtful comments on both immigration levels, housing policy and farmland. She brings substance to her answers rather than mouthing platitudes or sitting on the fence.

She really could be the leader the Conservatives need as she gives every impression of being prepared to seek advice but then be decisive - a merit sadly lacking in recent times. She argues her case well too.

Noticed before Urm that you are impressed by Badenoch.

But what is so fresh and new? And what has she done that she merits such attention. None of that came across, and imagine hearing that pseudo-Sloane voice all the time...

Badenoch is a Randite (follower of Ayn Rand) and a believer in a small state. This means that the state should only be responsible for the police, courts and military. Everything else is left for the individual to provide for themself.

This means that there would be fewer regulations and one thing that would suffer would be health and safety. How many people remember the Herald of Free Enterprise and The Marchioness disasters. Also the death of a student whilst he was working at Felixstowe docks. I remember the latter but couldn't find a specific reference to it but I did find reports of several deaths and injuries in a report of evidence to a select committee going back to 2001/02.

Blue on blue slagging off last night. No wonder Tory HQ has told them to cut it out. Not a good look to be advertising the schisms in the party what?

Truss I think has a very slight speech impediment and ‘off the cuff’ communication doesn’t come easy to her. She comes across as a bit wooden to be honest. I’m sick of her ‘delivering’ line. Besides which she’s a continuity candidate, like Rishi ‘business as usual’. I think I’d like to see a wider change going forward (not that I have any say in all this).

Soldier boy will be the next one out in my opinion. And Mordant now seems flaky. Attractive, personable, blond hair, lipstick and quick thinking, easy communicator but little substance (sadly). I think she’d have to surround herself with a crack team because she would need it. And mud sticks - David Frost saying she wasn’t on top of her brief as his deputy and going AWOL was a red flag for me.

C’mon Kemi! I’m in her camp. Feisty, fresh and full of new ideas. Has looked out of her depth on a couple of occasions but she’s a quick learner and is engaging. Might appeal to the younger voters too in a GE in a couple of years’ time. Plus she’d be bedded in my then. Labour’s worst nightmare on many levels I imagine. She’d do well up against Keir Starmer at PMQ’s given time and a bit of coaching.

Plus I think the Tory party need a woman at the helm right now in my humble.

Kemi lies about the little things eg trekking for water, waiting for a year to get a chipped tooth fixed!
If she lies about things like this how will she be when lying has huge consequences?
We have already had that with Johnson!

I would far rather have a say now.
I admire Kemi Badenoch, but she is not ready for the leadership yet; none of them are, and my opinion of Sunak has plummeted recently.
I am sorry I will not be alive when state papers are published and the full extent of the dirty dealings is revealed.

If you are a Conservative Party member,you get a say when it’s down to the final two.

What is the point of having it on TV when we have no say?

Truss keeps telling us that she has delivered - but what has she delivered? We hear very little about actual trade deals.

Before all this started, at a Foreign Affairs Committee, Truss said that it was right to forge closer links with states accused of human rights abuses. She was asked whether she engaged in discussions on that subject and answered that she had.She was then asked to name one example, but was unable to. She eventually fell back on the excuse that she was not going to talk about private discussions.

Re Badenoch - she's following the example of Leadsom in bigging up previous roles.