Port of Dover

The whole point is that like the USA which takes sometimes hours to get into, the French can take as much time as they wish.

It is called that much coveted phrase by the brexiters.

“Taking control of their borders”

We landed them with the extra paperwork, they can choose how they deal with it.

Dinahmo Every time we have a camping holiday in France the campsites are full of British families.From Brittany to the South of France.
There are also vast numbers of British tourists in Paris itself and Disney Paris.
I like France very much, and is a short hop to get there, which is part of the attraction.

Ug we are not talking exclusively about holidaymakers. Could you pop an HGV on a plane? I think not.

The U.K. have checkpoints in France and vice versa as it’s easier to deny entry to someone on the French side as once they land in the U.K. they can’t really send them back if they claim asylum. Also there would be massive queues both sides if checks were done when landing rather than departing. The ferries would be stuck.

On the plane its just people getting on with luggage on the ferries it's mostly people and vehicles, cars, Motorhomes and caravans and lorries carrying freight.

Prentice

Because I am not at all like you Volver and you will just have to accept that people are different.
Those who voted to Leave the EU cannot be blamed for how the government then goes on to handle things.It is not the job of voters at all.I am exasperated that you cannot see this.
In the rush to blame somebody you and others have landed on the easy targets here.
The only think that those who voted to Leave the EU should realise is that it will take time to do things differently.If they then complain too much about this, then that would be silly.
I do not see Leave voters on this site as doing that.
In the matter of how things are at Dover, I believe that the French officials will need to work with their British counterparts rather than against them.I hope they will do so.

What unfailingly happens on this site is that the leave voters blame any failures in systems between the UK and any European country, particularly France or Germany as 100% the fault of that country or the EU as a body Prentice. Read any thread about relationships and you will see that is the case. It’s not the remainers who are blinkered, it’s those who are hanging on to the fallacy that the UK has handled Brexit well.

Nightsky2

Zonne

Absolutely agree, a lot of lazy French b……having a Saturday morning lie-in.?.

It started on Friday…

It’s this attention to detail that landed us in this mess.

Actually Zonne I was fully aware that this all kicked off very early on Friday morning when the French didn’t turn up for work. I believe they blamed it on a “ critical incident “ which apparently turned out to have been a very minor incident. Woefully inadequate staffing by French border officials was to blame for the hugh pileup’s.

Their country. They can do what they like.

Prentice

If they chose to do that they would be harming tourism in France in a very big way, harming their economy for years.
My guess is that it will be solved by discussions very quickly.

I doubt it. Many of those people queuing at Dover will be en route to Italy, Spain and Portugal and other parts of Europe.

France has for many years had the highest number of visitors than any other country. I suspect that the economy on the south coast might suffer a little because some of those Russian oligarchs won't be able to visit their villas or mega yachts.

Those who voted to Leave the EU were deluded. They should have paid more attention.

I will continue to lay the responsibility at their door. People are certainly different. Some are sensible, some aren't.

I hope the French stick to their guns. They offered solutions and we turned them down. Can't go crying to them now.

Zonne

^Absolutely agree, a lot of lazy French b……having a Saturday morning lie-in.?.^

It started on Friday…

It’s this attention to detail that landed us in this mess.

Actually Zonne I was fully aware that this all kicked off very early on Friday morning when the French didn’t turn up for work. I believe they blamed it on a “ critical incident “ which apparently turned out to have been a very minor incident. Woefully inadequate staffing by French border officials was to blame for the hugh pileup’s.

Well I still don’t understand why it stays this way. Airport check ins are speedy. Passports this side just confirm that you are who you say you are. Show your boarding pass and ✈️ Off you pop. Surely the post Brexit checks by French border officials are slowing the process down? I don’t get it. Let the passengers show their tickets, board and leave. Then upon disembarking, like leaving a plane, have the 90 day check in the 180 day done on arrival.

Because I am not at all like you Volver and you will just have to accept that people are different.
Those who voted to Leave the EU cannot be blamed for how the government then goes on to handle things.It is not the job of voters at all.I am exasperated that you cannot see this.
In the rush to blame somebody you and others have landed on the easy targets here.
The only think that those who voted to Leave the EU should realise is that it will take time to do things differently.If they then complain too much about this, then that would be silly.
I do not see Leave voters on this site as doing that.
In the matter of how things are at Dover, I believe that the French officials will need to work with their British counterparts rather than against them.I hope they will do so.

Ug you do understand that the juxtaposed controls are in Calais too? So on this side you go through the French border and then the UK. You get on the train or ferry then on the other side you drive straight off and away.
On the Portsmouth, Poole, Newhaven, Plymouth crossings there are no juxtaposed controls and the French checks are in France. A few hundred vehicles come off these boats compared with thousands crossing in Kent.
Those of us who crossed from Dover before the juxtaposed controls understand how things speeded up after their introduction. It was needed to support faster trade between countries; it contributed enormously to the UK economy.

THE FERRIES WILL BE STUCK IN FRANCE BECAUSE THE CHECKS WILL OCCUR BEFORE THE PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED INTO FRANCE. HENCE THERE WILL BE NO FERRIES FOR PEOPLE TO GET ONTO IN DOVER SO THERE WILL STILL BE HUGE QUEUES.

I don't know if that's true or not but I used my two brain cells to work it out.

Whitewavemark2

Urmstongran

Maybe the way to counter the delays on the UK side of the channel is to stop allowing the French customs and immigration police to do their checks on UK soil. Tell them to do whatever checks they want to on French soil, then they can block their own ports and roads up.

Actually I really don’t know why they are this side.
Anyone know?

It has always been the case. We have a presence and border staff in France doing the same thing.

Apparently the French saw in advance that this would be a problem, and offered to increase the number of document checking booths at Dover. The offer was rejected by the UK government,
www.thelocal.fr/20220722/are-the-french-really-to-blame-for-dover-travel-chaos/

Sorry to be dim Mamie but if this was the way checks were done pre-Brexit then my suggestion is to change it, post Brexit. Let the French border control do their checks on their soil. Same as would happen at an airport. Then the big slowed down passport checks would be done in France. Everyone this side would board the ferries on time without this stressful situation.

No, come on, really.

This is a democracy. If the voters don't take the responsibility for the decisions they make, what is the point of a democracy?

You can't say people can vote how they like and then blame the politicians for not telling the truth. Take some responsibility. (I know you voted remain)

Why will you not blame the voters? They made the decision ??‍♀️

I'm exasperated.

The juxtaposed controls are in Dover and Folkestone because it was what the UK wanted to make travel and trade as seamless as possible Ug. The Le Touquet agreement was welcomed by both sides. The infrastructure needed was built to support travel with minimal checks between countries in the EU.
Frankly people who voted for Brexit need to learn to accept that their action has consequences and stop blaming everyone else when things go wrong.

You are very welcome Urmstongran I am only saying what most in my circle say. There will always be disagreements on such things as political decisions, but I so dislike the constant blame game, especially when blaming ordinary people such as voters.

Sorry ,the airport in England did the checking

I wondered that. When I flew back to France the airport staff checked that my COVID vaccinations were in order as per the french requirements so why don't the Dover control Brits do the same ie check all regulations are being redpected

Urmstongran

Maybe the way to counter the delays on the UK side of the channel is to stop allowing the French customs and immigration police to do their checks on UK soil. Tell them to do whatever checks they want to on French soil, then they can block their own ports and roads up.

Actually I really don’t know why they are this side.
Anyone know?

Are you serious?

They won't let people off the ferries, will they? So all the ferries get stuck. Then the travellers are stuck...queuing in Kent. ??‍♀️

People have no idea at all, really.

Urmstongran

Maybe the way to counter the delays on the UK side of the channel is to stop allowing the French customs and immigration police to do their checks on UK soil. Tell them to do whatever checks they want to on French soil, then they can block their own ports and roads up.

Actually I really don’t know why they are this side.
Anyone know?

It has always been the case. We have a presence and border staff in France doing the same thing.

You know in your heart that Voters are not to blame at all.
Nope. That's wrong. Do you want me to use the S-word?

Why do you use phrases which belittle Britain? Because we deserve it. We have belittled ourselves in the world.

Perhaps you do not live here at all, I do not know. I live in Scotland. Which is part of Britain. Just. 60-odd% Remain, remember?

It is still, post Brexit a lovely country to live in. We'll have to disagree on that.

I think we will make a success of things but it is bound to take some time. We were perfectly successful but we threw it away.

By the way, Cameron got the results he wanted from the EU. Did you miss that bit? If voters can't tell the difference between truth and lies, then the S-word is the only thing left for me to say.

Maybe the way to counter the delays on the UK side of the channel is to stop allowing the French customs and immigration police to do their checks on UK soil. Tell them to do whatever checks they want to on French soil, then they can block their own ports and roads up.

Actually I really don’t know why they are this side.
Anyone know?