Port of Dover

Prentice thank you on behalf of so many of us.
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volver

Skomer

I fully expect to get flamed for this but I blame the remainers who couldn’t be arsed to vote.
I am sick of people whinging about Brexit when they couldn’t be bothered to go along and put their X in the box.

How many people was that Skomer?

As Ayse said above... It’s endemic, blaming everyone else for problems.

Anyone here not bother to vote? Guess not. Nice urban myth, no basis in fact whatsoever. Unless someone wants to prove me wrong?

Yes, Ayse said a wise thing, but in a nicely ironic way Volver you are agreeing with Ayse and at the same time you are blaming Leave voters.
You know in your heart that Voters are not to blame at all.
You cannot say that over 17 million, which I believe is the figure do not have two brain cells to rub together, that is just an easy gratuitous insult, six years after this event.
The only ones to blame if you must apportion blame still, are politicians.Mr Cameron for offering a referendum if he could not get the results he wanted from the EU, and all MPs for voting to implement the results of the referendum.
It’s done, more voted to leave than voted to remain.
Such lies and evasions came from both sides in politics at that time to persuade voters to each side.
We are where we are and must strive to make things successful. Why do you use phrases which belittle Britain?
This I do not understand at all.Nobody uses phrases such as Johnny Foreigner or little British foot stamping.Perhaps you do not live here at all, I do not know.My family came to Britain in the 1950’s and we are proud to be British, and have a lot to thank it for.It is still, post Brexit a lovely country to live in.If people always focus on the negatives about their, or other people’s countries it is such a shame.
Such a shame too, to insult voters, either on this site or in their everyday lives because they have different views.
I think we will make a success of things but it is bound to take some time.

Newhaven

Thé Dieppe/Dover ferry is a lot cheaper than the Calais / New Haven. Plus there are a lot fewer crossings.

Poole has a couple of crossings a day as does Newhaven. Your passport is checked by the ferry company in Portsmouth, but when I came back via Newhaven in the spring they had introduced a border force check as well. In Dieppe and Ouistreham the checks and stamping are done by French border force.
The Brittany ferries are big and offloading is fairly straightforward but the Newhaven boats can be slow if you (as my grandchildren say) "get stuck up the 'ole". ?
I love the Newhaven crossing though. Reminds me of my first ever visit to France.

Over 50 ferries a day leave Dover Urmstongran, and 6 a day leave Portsmouth. I haven’t checked Poole or Harwich, but it’s not 50 I would guess (and I don’t think ferries from Harwich go to France, don’t they go to Holland?).
In any case, surely if the problem was with arrivals in France it would matter which port in the UK you were leaving, you’d still have to have your passport checked at the same French ports. Or am I missing something?

Oh and the longer crossings are much more expensive. It works for us because we live half an hour from Ouistreham and have a member's card.

You obviously missed my posts upthread Ug. I explained the differences on the Portsmouth Caen crossing as a passenger earlier in the year and as someone driving towards the cars coming off this morning!
In summary - longer and slower, but the volume is nowhere near as great.

Given that all the cars with an EU sticker are being delayed because of the paperwork required for all those without one, maybe we should just do it the other way round?

Re Dover. I wonder how things are at Portsmouth, Poole or Harwich? I know Dover-Calais is the shortest crossing but I do wonder why so many people choose this god-forsaken route. It's prone to overcrowding and delays and pitches you up in one of the least attractive areas of France. Also, why pick the very start of the school holidays? Bound to be busy, plus container wagons crossing back for ’le weekend’.

Actually a friend texted last night “Brittany Ferries from Portsmouth was a breeze!”

Maybe shunt all cars with an EU sticker into a car park and let all the UK cars go through first! The French would soon sort things out then.

I guess the chaos at Heathrow is the fault of the French as well.

France

Plenty of European tourists around here where I live, in Franc

There is no doubt that the queues at Dover are caused by Brexit. It seems so obvious that it is hardly worth stating.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2022/jul/23/travel-chaos-live-latest-updates-dover-queues-uk-france-border

Skomer

I fully expect to get flamed for this but I blame the remainers who couldn’t be arsed to vote.
I am sick of people whinging about Brexit when they couldn’t be bothered to go along and put their X in the box.

How many people was that Skomer?

As Ayse said above... It’s endemic, blaming everyone else for problems.

Anyone here not bother to vote? Guess not. Nice urban myth, no basis in fact whatsoever. Unless someone wants to prove me wrong?

I fully expect to get flamed for this but I blame the remainers who couldn’t be arsed to vote.
I am sick of people whinging about Brexit when they couldn’t be bothered to go along and put their X in the box.

Whilst I can, on a generous day, understand why people fell for the Brexit rhetoric, I really cannot understand those of the electorate who have seen the Brexit effects and still believe it is a grand idea.

Absolutely agree, a lot of lazy French b……having a Saturday morning lie-in.?.

It started on Friday…

It’s this attention to detail that landed us in this mess.

vegansrock

It’s all the fault of the French obvs - they’re treating us like a non EU country !!!

Isn't it always the fault of the French??

Could this have an effect for next year, will numbers drop off? Will some think twice now?
Why go to France, if you know this will happen? I do think it will hit areas around the French Ports economy.
Possibly non EU countries will get more Tourisum the likes of Turkey, Bulgaria?
Personally, I wouldn't go this time of the year, its always been historically busy at the Ports at the end of the School year.
I live near a Continental Port, I have witnessed major jams, caused by French disputes/strikes having a knock on effect.
So not really a surprise.

Yes living in the south, it is noticeable how few foreign registration cars there are now.

I don't think that British tourism is a huge deal for the industry here anymore. Covid has meant that far more French people stay in France for their holidays. Like last year we now see far more Dutch and Belgians in Normandy. I do know a lot of people, particularly young people, who will not go to the UK now passports are required instead of the ID cards that everyone has. It is all very sad.

Prentice

volver

If they chose to do that they would be harming tourism in France in a very big way, harming their economy for years.

Do you think so?

I'm not sure that's true...

People really do have an odd view of the world. We're really not that important.

Yes I do think so, if the situation was allowed to run on unchecked, although I believe it will not do.
A huge amount of tourism in the holiday season goes to France from UK.
It is nothing to do with feeling important.

But we asked them to treat us as a third country and that's what they are doing. Stamping our little British feet and telling them to do better is not an option any more. We really are not that important, and the sooner we realise that in all things the better.

I think the French have tried to warn the British government and to suggest that more booths are put in Prentice.
I can't imagine that the bile and venom of the British press and some MPs exactly encourages a spirit of co-operation though.

The French did not make this problem so cannot be blamed. Why should they fall over themselves to make it easy for people who do blame them? A bit of goodwill on both sides would do no harm, and IMO it should start from this side, as it's basically a British problem.