Port of Dover

mokryna

*MayBee70*. Could you post the link please GMB thank you

I’ve just watched part of it on utube and am going to find the rest on catchup. I can’t do a link. The Edwina on it was the same Edwina I met years ago: boasting about how much money she’d made at her fund raiser for the party and saying the government runs itself so it’s ok for Johnson to go off on jollies every day. I might be able to do a link on my computer upstairs. I’ve never worked out how to do it on my iPad.

Sorry, to Bordeaux's and the Gendarmes boarded before we left to check identity cards. They took off 3 people, it was upsetting, probably Illegal immigrants .

Re identity checks in France.
I tried the new 'flexbus'from Lyon
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"Blame the French if you want, but it won’t change the Dover travel chaos that Brexit has caused"

Stefano Hatfield writing in the "i"

inews.co.uk/opinion/blame-french-but-be-honest-about-dover-travel-chaos-brexit-caused-1759048?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Monday%20NL&utm_term=Opinion

An excellent article with the facts from John Lichfield.
www.thelocal.fr/20220725/opinion-uk-france-travel-crisis-will-only-be-solved-when-the-british-get-real-about-brexit/

MayBee70. Could you post the link please GMB thank you

*MayBee" asks " We’re like pawns in a game but who’s the puppet master? Putin? The ERG? Lizards shock?"

I don't blame lizards. The ERG are more like puppets not puppet masters - they are the "useful idiots"

It seems to me that the puppet masters are a number of billionaires, probably including Putin (said to be the richest man in the world) but also the tax dodging billionaire proprietors of most of our national newspapers.

I didn’t see it but DH tells me that GMB was brilliant this morning with Ed Balls, Anna Soubry, Simon Calder, Edwina Curry and a man from the Mail who was strangely silent. Lots of John Major innuendo. It was so good he watched it again on catchup!

James O'Brien in full flood this morning on this topic.

Joseanne

That's interesting about border checks at Menton Dinahmo. We always get passports checked just after the Mala tunnel in Cap d'Ail before entering Monaco. Rumour has it that dodgy individuals either alight or jump off the train in the tunnel.

I was referring to checks at the road border.

Whitewavemark2

I have just watched the excellent Led By Donkeys latest video showing the lies told by all the leading Brexiters.

My goodness it shows quite starkly how people must have based their vote on outrageous mendacity, of which the participants must have been fully aware as they led the voters by the nose.

I can remember at the time the arguments against these lies, but was told “project fear” “doomsters” and such.

I just mentioned the lies on Facebook and have, as usual, been bombarded with accusations of ‘ you’re accusing us of being thick’ and that old chestnut ‘why don’t you leave then ?’ Big argument kicking off on another forum I’m on. Years ago forums weren’t full of political arguments ( at least, I can’t remember them being like that). It’s young against old, leavers versus remainers. We’re like pawns in a game but who’s the puppet master? Putin? The ERG? Lizards ?

Dickens as always dear lady your post was insightful and interesting. You are one of my favourite posters - I always enjoy reading what you have to say because you are well informed and measured in your responses. You often cool down a heated debate which is a good thing!

That's interesting about border checks at Menton Dinahmo. We always get passports checked just after the Mala tunnel in Cap d'Ail before entering Monaco. Rumour has it that dodgy individuals either alight or jump off the train in the tunnel.

Crossing from Italy back into France before covid the train stopped at a small station on the border. Two different types of border control got on, checking everyone's passports and asking about luggage. It could have been that they were looking for an individual. They went the length of the train and we waited about 15 minutes so there are checks.

There are also border checks at Menton too, although not every one was checked. This was a few years ago, crossing into Italy to visit the Villa Hanbury Botanical Gardens. (Well worth a visit if you're in the area)

Maudi

Still plenty of places to travel with no border controls. I've been to Croatia in my motorhome all the way down to Dubrovnik a beautiful country.

But you haven’t done so with no border checks.

If both the UK and Croatia were in the EU at the time, it would have been a light touch check with no need to stamp your passport. Now, it will be different.

Maudi

Still plenty of places to travel with no border controls. I've been to Croatia in my motorhome all the way down to Dubrovnik a beautiful country.

That must be an old map, Maudi
I think this one is more up-to-date.

Sounds wonderful Maudi. As you praise border control free travel, do you not see the irony in having voted for border control between us and EU? I think you voted to leave?

Still plenty of places to travel with no border controls. I've been to Croatia in my motorhome all the way down to Dubrovnik a beautiful country.

Because they are in the Schengen Zone. Had you travelled through several Schengen Zone countries and arrived at Croatia, there’d have been a border check, but you’d have still been in the EU.

Perhaps I didn't explain myself properly I meant travelling by car or as I was motorhome once you have crossed over the Channel to an EU country, France, or as I did recently The Hook of Holland travelling through Belgium then to France there are no checks or border controls.

Maudi

Once you have crossed the channel there are no borders within the EU.

Not true. Every country in the world has borders.

Asuuming you mean border controls, Schengen countries (which are not all EU members) normally have no borders checks for people travelling between them, but there are checks (immigration control, so you need to show a passport or ID card) on people travelling into the Schengen zone from EU countries which are not in Schengen. These are Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Ireland, Romania, and, until Brexit, the UK.

I have just watched the excellent Led By Donkeys latest video showing the lies told by all the leading Brexiters.

My goodness it shows quite starkly how people must have based their vote on outrageous mendacity, of which the participants must have been fully aware as they led the voters by the nose.

I can remember at the time the arguments against these lies, but was told “project fear” “doomsters” and such.

Who are these intellectuals Urmstongran? And, what constitutes being one?

I may not agree with you politically, but you are perceptive and articulate. By the token you appear to be 'judging' intellectuals - you could just as easily be one of them .

Personally, I tend to think of people like the late Stephen Hawking as belonging to that demographic.

I made a post a while back suggesting that the Remain campaign had been lacklustre (to say the least) and that one of the reasons could have been because some Remainers did not understand that, in our very unequal society, our EU-membership benefits were not equally 'distributed' (for want of a better word)... and got taken to task over it because it was not our job to 'right the wrongs', it is Government's job.

Which is true, but it would have helped if we'd better understood that being a member of the EU felt more comfortable for the guy working in the City of London commuting back to the leafy suburbs than it did for the agricultural worker in the Midlands.

Of course, the situation you described is not the fault of the EU - workers in each country both native and immigrant are supposed to be paid on a par. We should have had the regulations in place to make sure this happened and prosecuted those that flouted them. And the inequality endemic in this country is home-grown, it is a domestic issue.

And I personally think Tony Blair made the wrong decision in allowing the influx of East Europeans before we'd had time to build up the infrastructure to support them - a point which the EU recognised as important, which is why they allowed the option of staggering the immigration levels, an option which other countries took up. Of course, other Remainers will disagree with me because our failing infrastructure is not the fault of the immigrant, it is the fault of government. But it doesn't do any harm in recognising that it was a problem in some areas nonetheless, and not one to be airily dismissed as being of no consequence.

I've done agricultural work (are you familiar with "beet singling"?). It is the most tedious, boring, physically draining work imaginable. I ended up with a bad back and acid reflux from continual bending over, callouses on the palm of my hand from the constant leaning on the half-spade and the same on the front of my hands from the exposure to the sun. My sun-hat kept falling forward over my eyes and I fell over a couple of times because I couldn't see and, at the end of the day, my mother had to pick me up in the car because my legs ached and were too weak to pedal the bike she lent me. And all for 'tuppence and a bit o' pudding. Not that this is relevant, just thought I'd throw in a 'poor-me' observation!

Once you have crossed the channel there are no borders within the EU.

Would it be possible to have some kind of facial recognition system in the future like at airports to avoid the stamping? I guess with passengers in cars that would be more difficult

This is due to happen at the end of September, for all third country nationals entering Schengen zone countries. The UK government have asked if the UK can be excluded (perhaps temporarily), or the whole system delayed, as it will cause too many queues at British ports and the tunnel.

I firmly hope the EU tell us to take a hike. We should not be treated differently to others.