Labour sacks shadow transport minister who backed strikes.

Glorianny
please listen to this about Starmer in his own words
uk-podcasts.co.uk/podcast/full-disclosure-with-james-o-brien/keir-starmer
I think that's a better source in this case regarding his back story.

Regarding being sacked for standing with the strike - I heard this morning it was for giving an interview without first clearing it. I think that, as others have said is a discipline thing. I would personally want Labour to stand on picket lines in a just cause.

Agree paddyann54 - the Labour Party are just red tories now.

No, I aouldn't think so. It depends which paper or news outlet you are influenced by

facts about how the Labour Party was founded

A couple of quick google searches ( not that anyone who supposedly supports labour should need them, but there we are )

History

1) The Labour Party was born at the turn of the 20th century out of the frustration of working-class people at their inability to field parliamentary candidates through the Liberal Party, which at that time was the dominant social-reform party in Britain. In 1900 the Trades Union Congress (the national federation of British trade unions) cooperated with the Independent Labour Party (founded in 1893) to establish a Labour Representation Committee, which took the name Labour Party in 1906.

2)
In 1899, a Doncaster member of the Amalgamated Society of Railway Servants, Thomas R. Steels, proposed in his union branch that the Trade Union Congress call a special conference to bring together all left-wing organisations and form them into a single body that would sponsor Parliamentary candidates. The motion was passed at all stages by the TUC, and the proposed conference was held at the Congregational Memorial Hall on Farringdon Street, London on 26 and 27 February 1900. The meeting was attended by a broad spectrum of working-class and left-wing organisations—the trades unions present represented almost half of the membership of the TUC.[21]

I’ve tried to find something online ( when searching ‘how was the Labour Party founded’ that doesn’t include trade unions, - just to please you WW but I can’t.
So maybe you need to find out more about the party you support.

Mybe the Unions should stop supporting Labour? After all its their funding that keeps the so called labour party able to exist...or should we just call them what they have become ...Red Tories

Sorry, previous post is addressed primarily to Glorianny. I omitted to quote her past.

Well, you're certainly justifying the people who say that Labour is not the party of aspiration.

Register of MPs interests. November 2021

Keir Starmer

1. Employment and earnings
Payments for legal advice given before 2020:
7 December 2020, received £2,399.58. Hours: approx. 10 hrs. (Registered 23
December 2020)
319
16 December 2020, received £5,936. Hours: approx. 25 hrs. (Registered 23
December 2020)
24 August 2021, received £17,598.60. Hours: approx. 70 hrs. (Registered 31
August 2021)
29 September 2021, received £135.78 from the Authors’ Licensing and Collecting
Society, Fifth floor, Shackleton House, 4 Battle Bridge Lane, London SE1 2HX, as
copyright payments for books written before my election to Parliament. Hours:
none. (Registered 15 November 2021)
3. Gifts, benefits and hospitality from UK sources
Name of donor: Premier League
Address of donor: Brunel Building, 57 N Wharf Road, London W2 1HQ
Amount of donation or nature and value if donation in kind: Two tickets to the
Euros Final, total value £1,628
Date received: 8 July 2021
Date accepted: 8 July 2021
Donor status: company, registration 02719699
(Registered 19 July 2021)
Name of donor: Rugby Football League
Address of donor: Quay West, Trafford Wharf Rd, Trafford Park, Manchester M17
1HH
Amount of donation or nature and value if donation in kind: Two tickets to the
Challenge Cup Final, total value £618
Date received: 7 July 2021
Date accepted: 7 July 2021
Donor status: company registration 03845473
(Registered 26 July 2021)
6. Land and property portfolio: (i) value over £100,000 and/or (ii) giving rental income
of over £10,000 a year
Until 29 April 2021, co-owner of a house in Surrey, inhabited by family members:
(i). (Registered 09 June 2015; updated 01 June 2021)
8. Miscellaneous
Member of the Youth Justice Legal Centre’s advisory board. The centre was set up
by Just for Kids Law. (Registered 05 June 2015)
Leeds University Law Faculty Advisory Board. (Registered 05 June 2015)
Director of The Death Penalty Project. (Registered 05 June 2015)
From 1 October 2015, Member of Advisory Board, European Institute, University
College, London. (Registered 06 January 2016)
From 1 December 2015, Patron, Sante Refugee Mental Health Project, 12
Salcombe Lodge, Lissenden Gardens, London NW5 1LZ. (Registered 06 January
2016)
From 1 May 2015, Associate Tenant, Doughty Street Chambers. (Registered 06

These are updated monthly. You can find them all here:

publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmregmem/contents2122.htm

This is the most recent. May 2022
publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmregmem/220503/220503.pdf

Please report facts, not hostile gossip

Glorianny

DaisyAnne

Glorianny

The most popular figures in the media spotlight today are Mick Lynch and Eddie Dempsey. If Starmer had any sense he would be standing beside them. As it is it is Union officials who are saying the things Labour, as the opposition party, should be saying. Criticising the huge profits and money leaving the country, the excessive salaries paid to executives and the failure of wages to keep up with the huge rises in costs for ordinary people. Unfortunately the Labour leader seems unable to say the same things, possibly because he is busy dealing with his own fortune.

Who are they popular with, Glorianny? Certainly, the right-wing press talks about them but we are talking about voting in an FPTP system. They become irrelevant where that is concerned although they are standing up for their members and that is, of course, to be applauded. That is their job. It is not the Labour Party's job. Theirs is to put forward plans for an environment in which all can thrive.

What, exactly, are the union officials saying that Labour should be saying? It would help to know what your complaint is. Our problem is not Labour but the Tory government. A government that its best advocates will say believes in a mixed economy - yet that is a lie. It has long since stopped being that.

Its magnates, on the other hand, will now say that we all need a complete market economy with little or no state. Yet this seems to be a market where only the magnates benefit. We have trained workers in short supply. Yet what do these "market economy" privileged few tell us?

*These people are the wrong kind of market. It works differently for them.*

This is what I said the union officials are saying that labour should be saying
Criticising the huge profits and money leaving the country, the excessive salaries paid to executives and the failure of wages to keep up with the huge rises in costs for ordinary people
Energy companies made huge profits last year but fuel costs are rising.
Rail companies made huge profits and paid huge salaries to executives.
I think most people faced with huge fuel bills and rising travel costs know ML is right.

Let's start with the first one. To which "huge profits and money leaving the country" are you referring? So far, that just sounds like a red-top headline.

Glorianny

Starmer is worth around £7 million. He has boosted his MPs salary by doing private advisory work. Presumably heas investments that will need dealing with.

When was this and what did he do Glorianny. Anyone can throw mud. Perhaps you could try a few facts.

DaisyAnne

Glorianny

The most popular figures in the media spotlight today are Mick Lynch and Eddie Dempsey. If Starmer had any sense he would be standing beside them. As it is it is Union officials who are saying the things Labour, as the opposition party, should be saying. Criticising the huge profits and money leaving the country, the excessive salaries paid to executives and the failure of wages to keep up with the huge rises in costs for ordinary people. Unfortunately the Labour leader seems unable to say the same things, possibly because he is busy dealing with his own fortune.

Who are they popular with, Glorianny? Certainly, the right-wing press talks about them but we are talking about voting in an FPTP system. They become irrelevant where that is concerned although they are standing up for their members and that is, of course, to be applauded. That is their job. It is not the Labour Party's job. Theirs is to put forward plans for an environment in which all can thrive.

What, exactly, are the union officials saying that Labour should be saying? It would help to know what your complaint is. Our problem is not Labour but the Tory government. A government that its best advocates will say believes in a mixed economy - yet that is a lie. It has long since stopped being that.

Its magnates, on the other hand, will now say that we all need a complete market economy with little or no state. Yet this seems to be a market where only the magnates benefit. We have trained workers in short supply. Yet what do these "market economy" privileged few tell us?

*These people are the wrong kind of market. It works differently for them.*

This is what I said the union officials are saying that labour should be saying
Criticising the huge profits and money leaving the country, the excessive salaries paid to executives and the failure of wages to keep up with the huge rises in costs for ordinary people
Energy companies made huge profits last year but fuel costs are rising.
Rail companies made huge profits and paid huge salaries to executives.
I think most people faced with huge fuel bills and rising travel costs know ML is right.

MayBee70

Grany. Can you tell me what you actually want? Because if you want a left wing socialist government I can tell you for a fact the electorate (especially the people who need a socialist government) are not going to vote for one. Unless Murdoch tells them to….

You are so right MayBee70. On the right, about 15% are extreme right. On the left, about 10% are extreme left. That makes Grany one of the 10%. When we have PR those people will be able to have a 10% representation in parliament as they should. They will not, however, drive a government.

What they may do, however, is stop a centre-left/left-wing government from being formed.

Starmer is worth around £7 million. He has boosted his MPs salary by doing private advisory work. Presumably heas investments that will need dealing with.

Glorianny

The most popular figures in the media spotlight today are Mick Lynch and Eddie Dempsey. If Starmer had any sense he would be standing beside them. As it is it is Union officials who are saying the things Labour, as the opposition party, should be saying. Criticising the huge profits and money leaving the country, the excessive salaries paid to executives and the failure of wages to keep up with the huge rises in costs for ordinary people. Unfortunately the Labour leader seems unable to say the same things, possibly because he is busy dealing with his own fortune.

Who are they popular with, Glorianny? Certainly, the right-wing press talks about them but we are talking about voting in an FPTP system. They become irrelevant where that is concerned although they are standing up for their members and that is, of course, to be applauded. That is their job. It is not the Labour Party's job. Theirs is to put forward plans for an environment in which all can thrive.

What, exactly, are the union officials saying that Labour should be saying? It would help to know what your complaint is. Our problem is not Labour but the Tory government. A government that its best advocates will say believes in a mixed economy - yet that is a lie. It has long since stopped being that.

Its magnates, on the other hand, will now say that we all need a complete market economy with little or no state. Yet this seems to be a market where only the magnates benefit. We have trained workers in short supply. Yet what do these "market economy" privileged few tell us?

These people are the wrong kind of market. It works differently for them.

Glorianny

The most popular figures in the media spotlight today are Mick Lynch and Eddie Dempsey. If Starmer had any sense he would be standing beside them. As it is it is Union officials who are saying the things Labour, as the opposition party, should be saying. Criticising the huge profits and money leaving the country, the excessive salaries paid to executives and the failure of wages to keep up with the huge rises in costs for ordinary people. Unfortunately the Labour leader seems unable to say the same things, possibly because he is busy dealing with his own fortune.

Can you explain to me what you mean about ‘dealing with his own fortune’ please. He did a lot of legal work for nothing if you bother to check his record.

They need to make themselves electable and appeal to all factions. Tony Blair got it and had years in power. He appealed to the private and public sector.

I think Kier was very strategic and sent a clear message that the Labour party is not just there to appease the Trade Unions. I find the Party more attractive now as a socially aware Centrist.

Kandinsky the working man needs railways to get to work.

Grany why can you not accept the fact the country does not
want a far left Labour Party ? Did you canvas for the general
election when Michael Foot was leader? Do you really believe
Corbyn was a successful leader ?

Whitewave I agree 100 %

The most popular figures in the media spotlight today are Mick Lynch and Eddie Dempsey. If Starmer had any sense he would be standing beside them. As it is it is Union officials who are saying the things Labour, as the opposition party, should be saying. Criticising the huge profits and money leaving the country, the excessive salaries paid to executives and the failure of wages to keep up with the huge rises in costs for ordinary people. Unfortunately the Labour leader seems unable to say the same things, possibly because he is busy dealing with his own fortune.

I cut my teeth on the Labour Party toddling out with my grandparents leafleting and stuff?

Kandinsky

Whitewavemark2

Having read some of your replies on this thread I don’t think you know much about the Labour Party at all, certainly not how it was founded.

This is what the Labour Party says about its foundation. From its web site:

The Labour Party was created in 1900: a new party for a new century. Its formation was the result of many years of struggle by working class people, trade unionists and socialists, united by the goal of working class voices represented in British Parliament.

It was this aim that united Keir Hardie and the colleagues who gathered for the famous inaugural meeting of the Labour Representation Committee at London’s Memorial Hall in February 1900. Ignored by the Tories and disillusioned with the Liberals, they gathered together to push for change.

Which accords with what DasiyAnne has said.

Note it was a mix of ^ working class people, trade unionists and socialists,^. So not just 'the unions'. And 'socialists' encompassed people from any 'class' who subscribed to socialist ideals.

Keir Hardy was the founder of the Independent Labour Party, not a specifically union based party.

I'm really not sure what Wwmk2 has got wrong.

If we have the sort of Labour government that people like me want we shouldn’t need trade unions in the same way because we won’t allow workers to be exploited.

Whitewavemark2

Having read some of your replies on this thread I don’t think you know much about the Labour Party at all, certainly not how it was founded.

Kandinsky

What is happening to the Labour Party?
A party born out of the trade union movement.

The Labour Party grew out of the cooperation between the Trade Unions and the Independent Labour Party. It was never the party of the Trade Unions alone. It appears it still has enough sense to be that "independent" Labour Party while seeing the Trades Unions as their partners in politics.

The Conservatives are a ready-made, like-it-or-leave-it coalition. So is Labour, albeit centre and left-of-centre in Labour's case. More and more people want to vote in their chosen collection of parties and not the ready-made one presented to them. They do not want to vote to enable a small extreme to ride to power on the backs of their centrist vote.

Appealing to the centre is what both sides will have to do in the next election. Analysis of the previous voting has shown approximately 75% centre and around the centre and only 25% at the extremes. There is no more wish for a far-left government than an overall wish for this far-right one. The only reason it is in power is that Conservatives manipulated voting by lying.

We have to wait until the Conservatives are thrown out and hopefully Johnson goes to prison. Once that happens, most would rather the Labour Party did not descend to the Conservative's level. I think you will find the centre and centre left do not want a party driven by the Trade's Unions although they value their representation. They will, therefore, not see this as a negative move by the Labour leadership.

MayBee70

Grany. Can you tell me what you actually want? Because if you want a left wing socialist government I can tell you for a fact the electorate (especially the people who need a socialist government) are not going to vote for one. Unless Murdoch tells them to….

Yes.

Time to get real grany

Not surprised by that at all.

Grany. Can you tell me what you actually want? Because if you want a left wing socialist government I can tell you for a fact the electorate (especially the people who need a socialist government) are not going to vote for one. Unless Murdoch tells them to….