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Labour sacks shadow transport minister who backed strikes.

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Kandinsky Wed 27-Jul-22 17:41:13

What is happening to the Labour Party?
A party born out of the trade union movement.

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Starmer just sacked one of his front bench MPs for appearing on a picket line.
It’s time for the movement to sack Keir Starmer. Trigger a leadership challenge now!
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200,000 + people have left the Labour Party. Here is why

The Labour Party has lost at least 200,000 members according to Ann Black of Labour’s National Executive Committee. This is a major blow for the party’s finances, taking it to near bankruptcy. It also reflects a dramatic percentage loss of members. One in every three Labour Party members since 2019 has jumped ship. Why?

dorseteye.com/200000-people-have-left-the-labour-party/

Maudi Wed 27-Jul-22 19:31:10

Fancy calling The Guardian the gutter press ?

Whitewavemark2 Wed 27-Jul-22 19:25:16

MayBee70

The gutter press are desperate to print front page pictures of Labour MP’s on picket lines. They’ll say this is what a Labour government will result in. And the electorate, who are happy to forget Johnson and his lying, will remember it. The Conservative government are fuelling this dispute.

Exactly

MayBee70 Wed 27-Jul-22 19:23:30

The gutter press are desperate to print front page pictures of Labour MP’s on picket lines. They’ll say this is what a Labour government will result in. And the electorate, who are happy to forget Johnson and his lying, will remember it. The Conservative government are fuelling this dispute.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 27-Jul-22 19:13:01

Official explanation.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 27-Jul-22 19:06:02

foxie48

I think it was the right decision and it's about time we stopped defining labour as "For the working man" and Conservative as "for the rich", it may have been appropriate in the past but it is not relative now and we need political parties to reflect that change. Strikes harm everyone and those that can do the most harm benefit tbh I'm not happy with that, why should a train driver have more "clout" than a care worker?

Because they are unionised. That is an argument for unions.

foxie48 Wed 27-Jul-22 19:04:45

I think it was the right decision and it's about time we stopped defining labour as "For the working man" and Conservative as "for the rich", it may have been appropriate in the past but it is not relative now and we need political parties to reflect that change. Strikes harm everyone and those that can do the most harm benefit tbh I'm not happy with that, why should a train driver have more "clout" than a care worker?

Maudi Wed 27-Jul-22 19:00:36

No I'm a robot ?

MaizieD Wed 27-Jul-22 18:53:08

Maudi

He's Angela Rayner boyfriend he left his wife and family for her. Rayner should be ashamed of herself in my opinion, I bet she supports the strikes. If Labour ever got into power God help us with her as Deputy PM.

Good heavens, Maudi. Are you for real? There are times when you sound like a parody account on twitter.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 27-Jul-22 18:45:06

Maudi

He's Angela Rayner boyfriend he left his wife and family for her. Rayner should be ashamed of herself in my opinion, I bet she supports the strikes. If Labour ever got into power God help us with her as Deputy PM.

Jolly good job that Starmer isn’t influenced by his mates then isn’t it. Johnson would have defended him.

Starmer - straight down the line.

Maudi Wed 27-Jul-22 18:41:41

He's Angela Rayner boyfriend he left his wife and family for her. Rayner should be ashamed of herself in my opinion, I bet she supports the strikes. If Labour ever got into power God help us with her as Deputy PM.

Kandinsky Wed 27-Jul-22 18:10:22

Tory in the past.

Kandinsky Wed 27-Jul-22 18:09:43

I am not a ‘Tory voter’
I am someone who has voted Labour in the past. I have also voted Labour in the past.
I’ll never vote Labour again though, not because they’ve sacked someone for supporting rail workers, but because they don’t seem to know what a woman is anymore.

Casdon Wed 27-Jul-22 18:02:51

To clarify, I didn’t say to Kandinsky she shouldn’t comment, I asked her why as a Tory voter she cared about the issue, which she hasn’t answered, I am waiting for her view.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 27-Jul-22 18:00:36

RichmondPark1

*All Labour voters do on here is whinge about the conservatives*

The use of words like 'whinge' only divides us and makes it really hard to have meaningful debate that will take us somewhere.

Whinging and raising genuine concern backed up by evidence are two separate things altogether.

It is the Johnson Brexity effect

RichmondPark1 Wed 27-Jul-22 17:58:50

All Labour voters do on here is whinge about the conservatives

The use of words like 'whinge' only divides us and makes it really hard to have meaningful debate that will take us somewhere.

Whinging and raising genuine concern backed up by evidence are two separate things altogether.

Lucca Wed 27-Jul-22 17:58:36

GrannyGravy13

Casdon

Kandinsky

What is happening to the Labour Party?
A party born out of the trade union movement.

Why do you care Kandinsky, when you have made it abundantly clear that you’ve always been a Tory voter?

Are Conservative voters not allowed to comment on Labour Party issues?

Actually I think of course they should be!

Whitewavemark2 Wed 27-Jul-22 17:53:25

Kandinsky

What is happening to the Labour Party?
A party born out of the trade union movement.

I think that the OP misunderstands the Labour Governments roll.

The Labour movement was formed to allow the working man a democratic input into decisions made by the U.K. government.

Urmstongran Wed 27-Jul-22 17:53:15

Kandinsky

Incorrect.
I have voted Labour in the past & have said that many times on here.

Ditto.

Urmstongran Wed 27-Jul-22 17:52:02

GrannyGravy13

Casdon

Kandinsky

What is happening to the Labour Party?
A party born out of the trade union movement.

Why do you care Kandinsky, when you have made it abundantly clear that you’ve always been a Tory voter?

Are Conservative voters not allowed to comment on Labour Party issues?

Must remember that comment for future reference next time a Labour or LibDem voter starts a thread about the Tory government!

MaizieD Wed 27-Jul-22 17:50:52

Just commented on another thread, but would say that Labour's thinking appears to be to try to put to bed the accusation that the RMT action is a 'Labour' strike. Shadow Cabinet members on the picket line could tend to reinforce that idea.

I can't say that I can recall Shadow Labour ministers on picket lines in previous years, but the memory is getting elderly.

I don't think there's any comeback on backbench MPs if they go on picket lines.

Casdon Wed 27-Jul-22 17:50:45

Kandinsky

The Labour Party are no longer the party of the working man.

In what respect exactly?

Kandinsky Wed 27-Jul-22 17:49:28

The Labour Party are no longer the party of the working man.

Casdon Wed 27-Jul-22 17:48:44

She didn’t comment though GrannyGravy13, it would have been fine if she had given her view.

Kandinsky Wed 27-Jul-22 17:48:12

Are Conservative voters not allowed to comment on Labour Party issues

Indeed.
All Labour voters do on here is whinge about the conservatives.