Johnson's Peerages

MaizieD

Vintagenonna

Could the House of Lords abolish Starmer? Could they abolish each other?

We might then be able to acquire a Labour Party leader who isn't singing from a 1980s Conservative Song-List (and getting both the audience and the tune wrong).

Accountable democracy in this country relies on having (at least) two parties each of whom can challenge the power of the other.

I thought Tony Bliar was a disaster for labour supporters. But Starmer hadn't emerged from the primordial slime at that point.

Gordon Brown is a light in the darkness,

Can I report posts for immediate deviation from the subject of the OP?

I know threads wander, but this is ludicrous.

We are talking about the most corrupt and destructive PM the UK has ever had and you want to moan about Starmer?

Well said, MaizieD

I don't understand how the first reaction of anyone who supports democracy, regardless of which party they support, can be to respond to this issue with whataboutery.

From a friend of mine on FB

Today I watched an advert on my TV, and I felt like weeping. It wasn't for charitable donations to some third world country, that I have gladly given to throughout my 62 years, but for the Trussel Trust, a UK wide charity asking us to feed our home grown, and ever increasing starving ain folk. They run foodbanks throughout the UK . Please give just £5.00 to help feed hungry families they beg , this in a country abundant in wealthy Millionaire , Multimillionaire and Billionaire businesses.Foodbanks are no longer the go to of the unfortunates, but also of the nurse, the shop assistant, the cleaner, holding down three jobs etc etc . Has it come down to this, working people who can't earn enough to feed their children, being forced to beg , and abandoned by a government ,who have relinquished any responsibility . If we didnt give to foodbanks , would this greedy government be forced to , they have us over a barrel and they know it , the same goes when they show us ex servicemen with missing limbs . In Scotland we have the option to do things differently, independence would allow us to make our own choices, tied to this union, the fight against poverty can only be lost , as our elected government here in Holyrood , introduces measures to help make life easier for those in need , the Westminster government takes it back . I may or may not live long enough to see the benefits of independence, but on the day we get our referendum, I will be at that ballot box , and it will be a Yes from me , for my country , my children and grandchildren .

Well MaizieD Vintagenonna was talking about the House of Lords too excellent post I thought apt

RichmondPark1

This feels exactly like Trump filling the US Supreme Court with his cronies. We're already seeing the rotten outcome of that.

At lunch yesterday with two lifelong friends who are dyed in the wool Conservative voters. Both said they could no longer support the corruption of this government, the running of the country into the ground and the widening of the gap between rich and poor.

They will vote Labour at the next election.

That was my first thoughts exactly. I don't know why there's not more response from the opposition when you consider the long term implications.

To be honest MaizieDin the opinion of almost everyone I know Starmer has been an enabler of the tory fiasco .He has abstained and supported the worst government in my lifetime and in the lifetimes of friends in their 80's and 90's .IF he had the- balls- comittment to the people of this country that should be expected of a labour leader he would have at the very least mad eBojo's destruction of democracy a wee bit harder ...but no Starmer let him reign free of opposition.Apart from the Scottish National Party ,whose votes in WM count for bugger all .Democracy is dead and Starmer is a liability

This feels exactly like Trump filling the US Supreme Court with his cronies. We're already seeing the rotten outcome of that.

At lunch yesterday with two lifelong friends who are dyed in the wool Conservative voters. Both said they could no longer support the corruption of this government, the running of the country into the ground and the widening of the gap between rich and poor.

They will vote Labour at the next election.

Vintagenonna

Could the House of Lords abolish Starmer? Could they abolish each other?

We might then be able to acquire a Labour Party leader who isn't singing from a 1980s Conservative Song-List (and getting both the audience and the tune wrong).

Accountable democracy in this country relies on having (at least) two parties each of whom can challenge the power of the other.

I thought Tony Bliar was a disaster for labour supporters. But Starmer hadn't emerged from the primordial slime at that point.

Gordon Brown is a light in the darkness,

Can I report posts for immediate deviation from the subject of the OP?

I know threads wander, but this is ludicrous.

We are talking about the most corrupt and destructive PM the UK has ever had and you want to moan about Starmer?

Could the House of Lords abolish Starmer? Could they abolish each other?

We might then be able to acquire a Labour Party leader who isn't singing from a 1980s Conservative Song-List (and getting both the audience and the tune wrong).

Accountable democracy in this country relies on having (at least) two parties each of whom can challenge the power of the other.

I thought Tony Bliar was a disaster for labour supporters. But Starmer hadn't emerged from the primordial slime at that point.

Gordon Brown is a light in the darkness,

Grany

For what it's worth all 10 pledges should be stuck to.

Gordon Brown has today
1) exposed Corrupt tory plans to pack out the House of Lords;
2) demanded fundamental constitutional change; and,
3) proposed Keir Starmer sticks to his pledge
Worth a close read
theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/29/keir-starmer-urged-not-to-abandon-pledge-to-abolish-house-of-lords

Never miss a chance for a pop at Keir, do you, Grany?

He shouldn't be nominating any peers at all. He is a disgraced PM. He was 'removed' because his parliamentary party couldn't stand his lying and corruption any longer (and, I suspect, because they say his approval rating with the public hit rock bottom). He has dishonoured the position of PM.

He is also under investigation by the Privileges Committee for lying to the House. If he is found to have done so and is suspended from Parliament (not literally, unfortunately) that will be further proof of his dishonouring of the post and that his judgement in the matter of nominations for peerage is not to be trusted in any way.

The proposals revealed in the article are just a further step in the destruction of our constitution and government accountability.

I am utterly ??? that this is even being proposed and that Johnson's advisor thinks it's achievable.

For what it's worth all 10 pledges should be stuck to.

Gordon Brown has today
1) exposed Corrupt tory plans to pack out the House of Lords;
2) demanded fundamental constitutional change; and,
3) proposed Keir Starmer sticks to his pledge
Worth a close read
theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/29/keir-starmer-urged-not-to-abandon-pledge-to-abolish-house-of-lords

He’s only making them peers on the understanding that they will vote for the government.

This country goes from bad to worse.