Gordon Brown demands emergency budget

he (or anyone) can demand what they like but as my mother used to say "I wants never gets"

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Katie59

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Katie59

For what it’s worth I agree with what Brown is saying currently, which is easy because he has no responsibility, it’s the way that he failed to manage the economy during the Blair years that I cannot accept.

Not that easy apparently. No other politician has recognised the crises for pensioners, families with children, and disabled.

They are all under the “whip” scared to step out of line, the shadow transport minister did and got sacked

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Re-writing history already

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Katie59

For what it’s worth I agree with what Brown is saying currently, which is easy because he has no responsibility, it’s the way that he failed to manage the economy during the Blair years that I cannot accept.

Not that easy apparently. No other politician has recognised the crises for pensioners, families with children, and disabled.

They are all under the “whip” scared to step out of line, the shadow transport minister did and got sacked

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Katie59

For what it’s worth I agree with what Brown is saying currently, which is easy because he has no responsibility, it’s the way that he failed to manage the economy during the Blair years that I cannot accept.

Not that easy apparently. No other politician has recognised the crises for pensioners, families with children, and disabled.

They are all under the “whip” scared to step out of line, the shadow transport minister did and got sacked

Katie59

For what it’s worth I agree with what Brown is saying currently, which is easy because he has no responsibility, it’s the way that he failed to manage the economy during the Blair years that I cannot accept.

You are incorrect in your belief that Brown mismanaged the economy, but frankly it is immaterial in relation to the crises we are facing.

Katie59

For what it’s worth I agree with what Brown is saying currently, which is easy because he has no responsibility, it’s the way that he failed to manage the economy during the Blair years that I cannot accept.

Not that easy apparently. No other politician has recognised the crises for pensioners, families with children, and disabled.

For what it’s worth I agree with what Brown is saying currently, which is easy because he has no responsibility, it’s the way that he failed to manage the economy during the Blair years that I cannot accept.

It was/is the greed of the people running the institutions that have to be controlled.

Yes indeed and successive governments have nothing at all to deal with this.

So I take it that those attacking the messenger, also profoundly disagree with his message?

For myself, I am grateful that we have someone who is addressing the existential crises facing pensioners, families with children and the disabled.

“I'm not saying that is what I believe. I am suggesting it as a rationale for deregulation and what a reasonable person would think about the business principles exercised by people responsible for other people's money.”

The problem was that the executives that run the bank like Fred Goodwin at RBS we’re getting massive bonuses for increasing turnover, they were taking big risks doing it. When it crashed they still kept their bonuses (mostly) the banks and ultimately the government had to make up the losses.

It was/is the greed of the people running the institutions that have to be controlled

Esspee

Chardy did you mean Gordon Brown when you wrote “A man with principles?”

As I remember he raped billions out of our (your’s and my) pension funds and sold off all our gold reserves, and wasn’t he the one who introduced quantative easing - in other words printing money to pretend to pay debts?

Thanks for pointing out the facts Esspee. The facts are often conveniently forgotten.

Not sure why energy is being put into an event that happened over a decade ago?

Well, you know me, Wwmk2. I like a debate

I also dislike people rewriting history.

Not sure why energy is being put into an event that happened over a decade ago?

Today we are facing the biggest cost of living crises since records began.

That deserves our total focus I would have thought.

The Conservatives were also in favour of deregulating the banks, even more so than Gordon Brown.

Bankers knowingly broke the law in the USA and Europe.

There is no legislation that will stop that, nor did it, until it collapsed around them.

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DaisyAnne

Katie, many world leaders praised Gordon Brown at the time and since. Just out of interest, why do you think you know better than they did?

New Labour promoted deregulation that caused the banks to take risks Brown supported that, so why give him credit for a very costly recovery.

I'm sorry, Katie59, but shouldn't it be the bankers that you are blaming, not Brown.? As I said earlier, bankers are supposed to be responsible actors, not wild gamblers. They shouldn't actually need to be heavily regulated. The fact that they weren't responsible was not Brown's fault. Treating them like responsible adults was clearly a mistake... in hindsight.

Wherever did you get the idea that bankers did anything other than look after their own interests, unregulated they took risks to make a quick buck which was great until the bubble burst.

You're not understanding my point at all, are you Katie59?

I'm not saying that is what I believe. I am suggesting it as a rationale for deregulation and what a reasonable person would think about the business principles exercised by people responsible for other people's money.

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Katie59

DaisyAnne

Katie, many world leaders praised Gordon Brown at the time and since. Just out of interest, why do you think you know better than they did?

New Labour promoted deregulation that caused the banks to take risks Brown supported that, so why give him credit for a very costly recovery.

I'm sorry, Katie59, but shouldn't it be the bankers that you are blaming, not Brown.? As I said earlier, bankers are supposed to be responsible actors, not wild gamblers. They shouldn't actually need to be heavily regulated. The fact that they weren't responsible was not Brown's fault. Treating them like responsible adults was clearly a mistake... in hindsight.

Wherever did you get the idea that bankers did anything other than look after their own interests, unregulated they took risks to make a quick buck which was great until the bubble burst.

It seems to have prompted Sunak to come forward to say there will be more and the Ed Davey has called for government pay £36bn cost in new ‘energy furlough scheme’.

More here: www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/08/ed-davey-calls-for-energy-furlough-scheme-to-avoid-october-price-cap-rise?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter

The way Katie is describing what many see to have been a) started in America and b) well handled by Brown both in this country and leading the world, I am just waiting for her to tell us he is a lizard in disguise or something along those lines. It all sounds very extreme.

I really admire Gordon Brown and his principles he is sadly misunderstood and is a true Christian . He is a true son of the manse. He sees what the poorer people of his constituency are suffering as he has hands on involvment in the local food banks. He takes no income from the books he writes donating all the profits to charity .

Oh give it a rest will you….

Gordon Brown ex pm doing the media rounds where is #starmer? He must be on holiday.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=qhr6_mSoZ8E

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DaisyAnne

Katie, many world leaders praised Gordon Brown at the time and since. Just out of interest, why do you think you know better than they did?

New Labour promoted deregulation that caused the banks to take risks Brown supported that, so why give him credit for a very costly recovery.

I'm sorry, Katie59, but shouldn't it be the bankers that you are blaming, not Brown.? As I said earlier, bankers are supposed to be responsible actors, not wild gamblers. They shouldn't actually need to be heavily regulated. The fact that they weren't responsible was not Brown's fault. Treating them like responsible adults was clearly a mistake... in hindsight.

None of your business, Gordon

DaisyAnne

Katie, many world leaders praised Gordon Brown at the time and since. Just out of interest, why do you think you know better than they did?

New Labour promoted deregulation that caused the banks to take risks Brown supported that, so why give him credit for a very costly recovery.