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Whitewavemark2 Wed 10-Aug-22 09:52:05

If you have made the mistake of following the Tory leadership election then you will, presuming you suspended your disbelief, now know that we are facing a bright future under Liz Truss, where growth, prosperity, light touch regulation, low tax and strong international trade will deliver us all we have ever aspired to.

In fact, more than that, the climate crisis will, under her rule, be so insignificant it can be ignored; the rule of law will no longer be required; every town, village and hamlet will be a freeport making its own regulations and laws under the benign guidance of a company given the task of doing so; and the land will flow with milk and honey.

None of this is true, of course.

This morning we have news of drought and the risk of hose pipe bans and even outright water shortages.

There is also a warning of power cust to come this winter as electricity supply will not meet demand.

Avanti has just axed two-thirds of its train services on the West Coast mainline.

Six million people are waiting for NHS treatment.

Half the UK's households do not know how they will pay their fuel bills when the average energy price increases to £4,200pa this winter. The likelihood that many will simply be unable to pay is high.

As a consequence, the rest of the economy is under severe threat of recession.

A banking crisis is possible as rents go unpaid, landlords fail to service their debts, joining those mortgage holders who will be in the same boat.

Schools and hospitals face impossible choices due to their increasing energy costs this winter.

Hardly talked about, but something I fear greatly is the risk that many care homes - which have to be warm - will simply be unable to afford to carry on trading this winter as those they p[provide for cannot pay increased bills, creating a massive care crisis.

It is actually quite hard to think of anything that is working well in the UK now, and which is not at risk of failure quite soon.

The Tory leadership election is taking place in some fantasy space created by a political party wholly out of touch with reality. The difficulty is that one of those taking part - and making the absurd promises on offer to the Tory party faithful, will be governing us soon. There is little sign that they will embrace reality then.

We are in deep, deep trouble.

Richard Murphy
10/08/22

Farzanah Thu 11-Aug-22 20:02:50

I think Martin Lewis has an “agenda” too apparently. To save people from freezing and starving.

MaizieD Thu 11-Aug-22 20:01:02

Thanks for that, growstuff.

I've followed him for a number of years now and I've learned a great deal from his blogs and links to other economists.

Especially about how a national economy actually 'works'. grin

growstuff Thu 11-Aug-22 19:01:59

Is Citizens Advice left wing?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62509970

Farzanah Thu 11-Aug-22 18:38:18

I have also followed Richard Murphy’s blog for years and am very impressed with his ideas and can endorse what you say growstuff. I first heard of him on here from Maizie I think.
He is part of The Green New Deal Group which seems more sensible than ever in present times.
At a group I was at yesterday the consensus was similar to you Iam ABT. Anyone but Truss!

Iam64 Thu 11-Aug-22 18:31:45

Thanks growstuff. I was never a Corbyn fan but, the fear of ‘the left/extreme left’ seems to far outweigh the fear of the ERG or those old white men in the shire counties, who are about to chose our next PM. They want Truss because they believe (I agree with them), she will do their bidding.
I never imaged saying this but I’d prefer Sunak. He’s clever and has ideas

growstuff Thu 11-Aug-22 18:27:54

maddyone

Richard Murphy is a very left wing person who has advised Corbyn according to Wikipedia, so it could be argued that he has an agenda.

For the record, I've been following Richard Murphy's blog for years and he isn't left wing. He was very critical of Corbyn when he was Labour leader. He's on record as saying that he doesn't support any political party. If anything, he's more Green than anything. He does, however, have a very good understanding of macro-economics. He's a Quaker and is passionate about social justice.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 11-Aug-22 18:17:38

And I should have added the energy providers

Whitewavemark2 Thu 11-Aug-22 18:17:12

So despite a high level meeting today between the PM and chancellor

Nothing was decided.

Fleurpepper Thu 11-Aug-22 16:59:27

Grany

What’s wrong with Britain? Let’s start with the monarchy

The Royal Family’s archaic-seeming rules and customs obscure its deep connections with modern global corporate power

www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/whats-wrong-with-britain-lets-start-with-the-monarchy/

The British monarchy stands for corruption, greed, immorality, theft.... You name it. They have a part in it.
The British RF is another form of the Mafia.

FORMER BRITISH MINISTER: ‘THE ISRAELIS THINK THEY CONTROL THE FOREIGN OFFICE. AND THEY DO!’

The recently published diaries of former foreign minister Sir Alan Duncan provide an unprecedented window into the influence the Israeli government and affiliated pro-Israel lobby groups have over the UK Foreign Office.

declassifieduk.org/former-british-minister-the-israelis-think-they-control-the-foreign-office-and-they-do/

Energy companies should be nationalised and utilities It is very popular nationally

Why not Labour Where is Starmer

No wonder Liz Truss wanted to abolish it ;)

Smudgie Thu 11-Aug-22 16:23:56

Agree Whitewavemark, just because someone has left wing views it doesn't mean that their comments are without validity. I think the level of political awareness and intelligence of posters on Gransnet means that we are able to look beyond Wikipedia and whether because someone allegedly advised Corbyn their views are biased. To be honest I don't think Corbyn could have made more of a mess of this country than Johnson and I am NOT a Corbynista !?

Grany Thu 11-Aug-22 16:18:02

What’s wrong with Britain? Let’s start with the monarchy

The Royal Family’s archaic-seeming rules and customs obscure its deep connections with modern global corporate power

www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/whats-wrong-with-britain-lets-start-with-the-monarchy/

The British monarchy stands for corruption, greed, immorality, theft.... You name it. They have a part in it.
The British RF is another form of the Mafia.

FORMER BRITISH MINISTER: ‘THE ISRAELIS THINK THEY CONTROL THE FOREIGN OFFICE. AND THEY DO!’

The recently published diaries of former foreign minister Sir Alan Duncan provide an unprecedented window into the influence the Israeli government and affiliated pro-Israel lobby groups have over the UK Foreign Office.

declassifieduk.org/former-british-minister-the-israelis-think-they-control-the-foreign-office-and-they-do/

Energy companies should be nationalised and utilities It is very popular nationally

Why not Labour Where is Starmer

Dinahmo Thu 11-Aug-22 15:04:18

WWM2 Thanks for that chart. And thanks to Private Eye. I'd no idea that it was so bad.

Farzanah Thu 11-Aug-22 14:32:27

This is not the usual summer break, it is actually a national emergency and many in the country will not be able to feed themselves or their children, cook, or heat their houses as the weather cools.
I do believe that a responsible Prime Minister should be taking the initiative at this time, whether he is leaving or not. That is the point of having a head of government, and probably why some running the country during the pandemic pleased themselves. They had no authoritative leadership.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 11-Aug-22 14:28:00

Private Eye put this chart together to show the sheer waste and corruption

maddyone Thu 11-Aug-22 13:54:41

It is also true………that many French people like to complain.

And also many British people like to complain. It’s the same the world over, people complain. Also the world over, the media always, without any exceptions, report the news putting the worst possible slant on it. It’s helpful in my opinion, to read both left wing and right wing press, and you might get somewhere near the actual truth.

Wheniwasyourage Thu 11-Aug-22 13:33:24

FarNorth

Wheniwasyourage

It's just getting worse all the time, and we do not seem to have a government at all at the moment, as they're all away on holiday. Couldn't Mr Johnson have waited until September to go away? angry

grin
How would that help??

Actually, it shouldn't make any difference, as we don't (in spite of how it seems just now) have a presidential system, so the government should be able to continue whoever is on holiday. All this "can't do anything until the new PM is in place" stuff is just so much rubbish. Even if every Cabinet post is filled with someone new, the machinery should still grind on and just be steered differently by the new lot, heaven help us.

Mamie Thu 11-Aug-22 13:18:51

There were definitely small shops that closed down during the Covid epidemic Mollygo. We had a very local butcher and he closed because people were ordering food and collecting it from the "drive" facilities on the way home. We now go to our nearest small town which has three butchers.
On the subject of problems in the medical service - we had a group of friends here for lunch and after I explained about problems with ambulances, A and E waiting times and GP appointments they were shocked and said, "perhaps we are not so badly off after all".
As I said these things are relative.
It is also true in my experience that many French people like to complain. ?

Deedaa Thu 11-Aug-22 13:16:35

In Italy August 15th is the start of Ferragosto when everyone goes on holiday. We always used to delay our holiday till September hen everything would have opened up again.

Mollygo Thu 11-Aug-22 13:16:20

Mamie, I only mentioned what I read in the French news re the French health system. I don’t suppose French media is any different at making things sound worse than UK. Media. I’ve got a UK hospital appointment 4 days after we get back.

Dinahmo Thu 11-Aug-22 13:14:41

Mollygo Whereabouts are you?

Mollygo Thu 11-Aug-22 13:08:18

True about shops closing for holidays in France. We saw posters on the windows of chocolate shops, boulangerie/patisserie, etc holiday closures starting 15th August for a week or a fortnight. Funnily enough, shoe shops are all open, with soldes or déstockage signs, needing not to be left with summer stock presumably. It was multiple boarded up or just empty, except for dead flies, cobwebs and dirt that we were faced with yesterday in what was obviously a thriving centre according to posts from 2020.

FarNorth Thu 11-Aug-22 12:58:23

Wheniwasyourage

It's just getting worse all the time, and we do not seem to have a government at all at the moment, as they're all away on holiday. Couldn't Mr Johnson have waited until September to go away? angry

grin
How would that help??

Mamie Thu 11-Aug-22 12:51:16

Non food shops frequently close for a month in the holidays. Butchers, boulangeries, fruit shops etc take it in turns to close for two or three weeks. Our butcher had a sign up yesterday saying 8 sleeps until we close for the holidays. ?

Maudi Thu 11-Aug-22 12:37:41

12:06Fleurpepper

No British owned shops in Foy le Grande although the campsite owner was British.

Mamie Thu 11-Aug-22 12:35:44

My DH had a fall a couple of weeks ago. Ambulance arrived in 10 minutes, taken to A and E, treated immediately and home within a couple of hours. .
There are stories of problems in the French system, but these things are relative.
We can get a same day urgent GP appointment and one with our own doctor in three days. Hospital treatment is still very good. There are shortages of dermatologists, cardiologists (outside of hospitals) and some other specialisms but once you are registered with them it is easy to get regular check-ups.
As for shops being closed, well yes it is August. Everyone is on holiday. ?