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Who has been the UK's worst PM?

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GagaJo Thu 11-Aug-22 12:21:36

It's widely held that Trump is the worst President the US has ever had.

Who do we think is the UK's worst Prime Minister?

It's very easy to jump, and say Johnson, but is he the worst?

nanna8 Sat 13-Aug-22 08:00:16

Interesting that there is a lot of agreement here- if someone can be bothered perhaps the maths might be informative.

Katie59 Fri 12-Aug-22 17:47:37

There may well be those who have personal reasons to dislike Churchill but he was the one outstanding leader of the 20th century.
If he had not stood up for democracy in Britain would have been occupied by Germany like France was, then it would not have been possible for the allies, to liberate Europe.

25Avalon Fri 12-Aug-22 17:33:55

Henry Addingtom

Barmeyoldbat Fri 12-Aug-22 16:18:32

Yes my mum was the same, hated Churchill and said we should have street parties to celebrate his death not a state funeral. My father was on the last boat going to Singapore but he had to be put ashore in South Africa to wait for a boat back to the UK as my mum was very I’ll. a lucky escape for him as everyone on the ship became a prisoner of war in Singapore

AGAA4 Fri 12-Aug-22 16:14:33

The two Bs....Blair and Boris.

Yammy Fri 12-Aug-22 16:10:43

Barmeyoldbat

Yammy Churchill also didn’t. Want the NHS and how on earth anyone say Blair was terrible when we have Boris and Thatcher

No Churchill probably didn't see the need for the NHS he would have to money to go private.
Atlee and Anurrin Beven were the founders of the NHS basing a lot of Ideas on Welsh slate miners' self-help groups. maybe that's why Atlee won the khaki election.
My grandfathers wouldn't contribute to the collection for Churchhill, one was in the Carnage of the Dardanelles the other what happened to the miners after the General strike. My Father was in Singapore when it was liberated and saw the English who had been prisoners of the Japanese.

Dinahmo Fri 12-Aug-22 15:52:47

Gillycats

Tony Blair was far worse than anyone. He and Gordon Brown did so much damage to this country which is why people turned to the Tories.

I guess that you haven't read the explanations given here and elsewhere.

Barmeyoldbat Fri 12-Aug-22 15:39:33

Yammy Churchill also didn’t. Want the NHS and how on earth anyone say Blair was terrible when we have Boris and Thatcher

Gillycats Fri 12-Aug-22 15:22:55

Tony Blair was far worse than anyone. He and Gordon Brown did so much damage to this country which is why people turned to the Tories.

Yammy Fri 12-Aug-22 15:07:47

I go with Wilson for all Nannarose points. Ordinary man from working-class roots. Grammar school and Oxbridge Educated got to the top in a world of "Posh toffs".He had the guts to stand up to the Americans and not go into Vietnam when he had seen what happened in Korea.
He also was not frightened of having strong-minded intelligent people in his cabinet, Denis Healey, Roy Jenkins and Barbara Castle to name a few.
I think Atlee would be on my list as well he gave us the NHS and he was voted in right at the end of WW2 when people were becoming disillusioned with Churchhill.
Churchills debacles when listed make you really wonder,
At the Admiralty, he led us into the carnage of the Dardenelles, in WW1.
He broke the General strike by putting troops on the streets and left the miners standing alone many with worse conditions than before and many without jobs.
In WW2 he wanted us to draw the Germans into Norway which they eventually invaded.
Sent ships without air cover to help Singapore and they were sunk.
He did not stand up to Stalin at Yalta which led to the occupation by the USSR of Poland the reason we went to war was to keep Poland's neutrality.
He also agree to send all prisoners of war back to Russia which lead to the deaths of thousands including Cossacks captured in Italy and many more being sent to the Gulags.
If you look closely non are perfect how can they be they are only human.

Nannarose Fri 12-Aug-22 14:37:04

Pittcity - love the Lord North argument, but they would have had to go at some point!
And as for a good one, I will defend Attlee, whose long-term vision was never fulfilled. And at a personal level his integrity shone.
I'd also put in a plea for Wilson - he kept us out of Vietnam, when the USA was saying we needed to join with them, to show our 'gratitude', and WW2 was still in near memory. Would that Tony Blair had shown similar strength.
Wilson also showed fortitude in handling the economy - you can dispute (as economists will) his decisions, but he didn't shirk from making unpopular ones.

To go back much more than 100 years, you find an entanglement of different measures that make it a bit more difficult to assess (good for whom?)

Barmeyoldbat Fri 12-Aug-22 14:31:21

Yes I agree with you on Thatcher, Boris just beats her by a whisker for being a lying, lazy, self serving b…..s

Ilovecheese Fri 12-Aug-22 14:16:09

Thatcher for me. She did so much damage to communities and to the country. The decimation of industry is harming us now, so many years later. I don't think she meant so much harm though, I think she lacked imagination and empathy, and was unable to conceive of a different result to the one she intended.
For instance, she thought that selling council houses to tenants would result in most people owning their own homes, which she saw as very desirable. She was unable to put herself in the shoes of people who were better off with a secure tenancy and a reasonable rent, and unable to imagine that the houses would be sold on to private landlords and be rented out with much, much higher rents and less maintenance, which is what has actually happened.

She thought that privatisation of utilities would lead to greater competition and lower prices, she was unable to imagine that other governments could end up owning our utilities and charging what they like, which is what has actually happened.
Just too blinkered really.

TiggyW Fri 12-Aug-22 14:12:18

1) Tony Blair - his policies caused my redundancy. ☹️
2) David Cameron - for disappearing after the EU referendum.
3) Boris Johnson - for being such an upper-class, over-privileged twit.

Barmeyoldbat Fri 12-Aug-22 13:52:57

Boris and Thatcher. Blair did do a great for the country certainly at the early years and nhs waiting lists came right down.

Iam64 Fri 12-Aug-22 13:30:54

I wonder what scandals will emerge when
Johnson leaves public office. His happy happy fake persona has conned many. With Thatcher, it was easy to see who/what you were dealing with. No pretence there
I fear Liz Truss will be awful in many ways

DaisyAnne Fri 12-Aug-22 11:25:14

DaisyAnne

Thatcher. Her legacy lives on in so many ways; none of them good.

I will wait a while to see if Johnson has been worse. I believe he may well be.

DaisyAnne Fri 12-Aug-22 11:23:46

Thatcher. Her legacy lives on in so many ways; none of them good.

Adelaide66 Fri 12-Aug-22 10:56:50

Thatcher. Allowing the sale of council houses was criminal.

Luckygirl3 Thu 11-Aug-22 18:35:56

Thatcher - she was a heartless b***h and cared not one whit for those who were felled by her policies - nor what the legacy of her policies would be: fragmented privatised "services" and declining communities. She also perpetuated the myth of the national budget being like a domestic budget, which has been used as an excuse to pursue financial policies that keep the poor in their place.

Johnson was just a continuation of the rot coupled with a complete disregard for the truth, integrity and our democratic processes.

But Thatcher started it all.

Tony Blair initiated Sure Start, so I commend him for that, but not for much else he did.

Iam64 Thu 11-Aug-22 18:27:59

Doodledog summarises the positives from the Blair government well. I remember the feeling of hope in 1997. The Blair/brown years were so much better for the country than the austerity, then shameless shoddy ‘leadership’ by Johnson.

Like everyone I know, I opposed the war in Iraq. I don’t know if Blair deliberately lied or how heavily it weighs on his mind. I struggle to believe he despises the people in this country, whereas I do believe Johnson does

Zonne Thu 11-Aug-22 18:16:13

I despise Blair, and that’s without the benefit of hindsight - I left the Labour party the day he became leader.

However, his government oversaw: the minimum wage; shortest hospital waiting lists in 40 years; actual new hospitals; Sure Start, significant investment in education and smaller class sizes; 11 years of uninterrupted economic growth used to underpin a massive reduction in child (and all) domestic poverty; peace in Northern Ireland, devolution and a constructive relationship with the EU.

I don’t deny the failures including the botched welfare reform, which the Tories have capitalised on ever since, increasing PPI (a Major policy initially), and failing to remove the Right to Buy, but there is a lot of good to offset against those.

Doodledog Thu 11-Aug-22 18:10:27

In some ways, I wish he would be prosecuted, so that we would find out the truth, but I assume that can't happen yet as information will be classified.

I have no issue with multiculturalism, and don't know enough about the running of the NHS to know whether his measures were wilfully terrible or a necessary evil. I say that with no disrespect to you, as I realise that his policies will have impacted on you in ways I don't understand, and my lack of understanding doesn't make your point invalid.

He did a lot for education and families, sorted out the Good Friday Agreement and life under his administration seemed so much more hopeful than now (unless that's rose coloured glasses, as they were the baby years for me). The jury's out where Blair is concerned, for me at least.

Oldbat1 Thu 11-Aug-22 18:04:51

Without a doubt Johnson closely followed by Thatcher. Johnson lying every time he opened his mouth - what did he achieve? Please don’t say the disaster called Brexit. Thatcher for ruining livelihoods, Argentine war and selling off majority of council houses which has only benefitted one generation and b****r those families which followed. Both an utter disgrace.

Pammie1 Thu 11-Aug-22 18:01:56

Tony Blair. Should have been prosecuted as a war criminal. Opened up the borders under the guise of ‘multiculturalism’, opened the doors for the privatisation of the NHS, and hired ATOS - a company with a proven dreadful track record, to carry out medical assessments on behalf of the DWP. He laid the foundations for the subsequent Coalition and Tory governments to impose ever more draconian measures on the British public. He announced his intention to resign well in advance and left Gordon Brown to pick up the pieces - for which he was castigated. Gordon Brown is the only one, as far as I can see, with any genuine concern for what’s happening to ordinary people in the present economic climate.