Transphobic Bullying

Lathyrus

Increasingly LGB are abandoning Stonewall as an organisation that represents them and creating new separate means of representation. Not without opposition from both Stonewall and trans, some of it violent.

At its inception it’s aims were clear. Equality not domination.

Evidence of any of this?

Increasingly LGB are abandoning Stonewall as an organisation that represents them and creating new separate means of representation. Not without opposition from both Stonewall and trans, some of it violent.

At its inception it’s aims were clear. Equality not domination.

Stonewall, initially aimed to do a good job. Taken over by the TRA, adopting ideas and strategies that made trans appear as threatening, then supporting the activities of those trans, who were in fact threatening did, and is still doing, more harm than anything else.

FarNorth

No-one, in schools, used to suggest that young children could identify themselves as being gay.

Now, teachers do tell pupils that they may be trans and give them ideas about how they can know. Schools also enforce the coaching of any child who thinks they are trans by treating them completely as if they are the opposite sex, and insisting that all pupils do so too.

Evidence of teachers telling any child they are trans FarNorth?
As for the way children are treated, are you suggesting teachers must ignore any trans children? What if the parents demand they treat Alice as Alan are teachers supposed to refuse?

No-one, in schools, used to suggest that young children could identify themselves as being gay.

Now, teachers do tell pupils that they may be trans and give them ideas about how they can know. Schools also enforce the coaching of any child who thinks they are trans by treating them completely as if they are the opposite sex, and insisting that all pupils do so too.

Here it is in total. It still means the same thing. Keep quiet. Know your place. Or you are responsible for bullying in schools.
It means that had it not been for Stonewall and TRAs stirring up problems there would be far less transphobic bullying, and the situation so often described by you when transpeople lived among us without anyone knowing would not have been disrupted

Actually the other thing which*Doodledog*'s attitude reminds me of is that of the Conservative government and Clause 28. It was assumed that teachers discussing homosexuality with their pupils were actively promoting it. Something which was manifestly untrue but which it seems is now the attitude they are being told to take with trans issues. Keep quiet about it seems to be the instruction www.twentysixdigital.com/blog/growing-up-silence-short-history-section-28/

No, there isn't a difference Glorianny. You deliberately missed off the beginning of the sentence to make it look as if something had been said, which hadn't been.

It's deliberately twisting the intended meaning.

It's so strange that neither VioletSky nor Glorianny wants to help us educate ourselves by giving at least an idea of the logical reasoning which leads to the conclusion that transwomen are women .

Anyone reading this thread while sitting on a fence will notice the absence of this reasoning, which could have helped them.

Furthermore, G has consistently refused or more likely been unable to define the current ‘norm’ to which she refers in her posts on bullying in response to my question.
The ‘norm’ which she claims means others can instantly identify trans because they don’t match it, and would be therefore easy to bully.
The tall, short haired, deep voiced, wearing trousers etc. simply doesn’t work any more as females can have all those features, but no further suggestion of her ‘norm’ has been supplied.

I wonder, Glorianny, if you mean there is a ‘behaviour tell’ that would identify your gender norm.
The same way presumably that the style and contents of a post, e.g. bringing in references to racism, whatever the thread topic, would, regardless of the current name at the top make it easy to identify the poster.
Whatever, there is a word for refusing to answer or acknowledge someone’s existence and it’s seen as a form of bullying, which is what this thread is about.

Lathyrus

Glorianny

Lathyrus

“Perhaps as far as your problem is concerned.. you should move your GD to another school”

“I didn’t suggest it”

I think it’s worth a?

Funny isn't it how all these empathetic people, who would never gaslight choose to edit posts to suit their own agenda. Just a few missed out words can change everything.
Still I'm not going to repost what I said
I'm sure with the degree of empathy exhibited on this thread to the two people who disagree about other's perceptions of things, you will be absolutely aware of our feelings, although of course respecting feelings is an entirely different issue.
I wonder where does deliberately misquoting someone come on the bullying scale?

Here’s what Gloriany said about one of my previous posts.

It speaks for itself.

Except I didn't miss words out from the middle of a sentence, there is a difference.

It certainly does Lathyrus.

Glorianny

Lathyrus

“Perhaps as far as your problem is concerned.. you should move your GD to another school”

“I didn’t suggest it”

I think it’s worth a?

Funny isn't it how all these empathetic people, who would never gaslight choose to edit posts to suit their own agenda. Just a few missed out words can change everything.
Still I'm not going to repost what I said
I'm sure with the degree of empathy exhibited on this thread to the two people who disagree about other's perceptions of things, you will be absolutely aware of our feelings, although of course respecting feelings is an entirely different issue.
I wonder where does deliberately misquoting someone come on the bullying scale?

Here’s what Gloriany said about one of my previous posts.

It speaks for itself.

Well we all know Glorianny that if you quote just part of a sentence it means you've quoted out of context and the entire sentence you have taken the quote from, makes it perfectly clear what Doodledog was talking about.

Quoting part of a post and taking it of context is simply a way of twisting what was actually said and meant.

As you say DL girls tend to use psychological warfare to torment their victims and we all know that the old saying 'sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me' simply isn't true.

Doesn't look as if the vast majority of perfectly reasonable questions will be answered. Just one more page after this and the thread will reach the maximum 1000 posts.

Girls, at senior school, can be absolute witches to each other. ?

Boys tend to physically sort out their differences -girls tend to use "psychological warfare" to torment their victims.

There will always be the pretty, extrovert leading a gang - anyone who doesn't fit their "norm" is a target.

Too fat, too thin, too tall, too short, glasses, spots, non designer clothes, butch looking, plain looks, anything.?

Social media adds to the gang mentality.

Which is why schools need to be robust about all bullying.

As I am certain you are aware, that is not what I meant. You are attempting yet another Gotcha by picking at the semantics of what I am saying.

You were the one claiming that girls who look 'mannish' or who do not opt into an unspecified 'gender norm' would be subject to 'trans' insults.

I pointed out that such insults are in vogue because of TRAs and Stonewall pushing a destructive agenda, and would not be a means of bullying if the trend they started did not assume that such girls were (or should be) trans because of the narrow gender norms they impose.

You have interpreted this to mean that I am ignorant of the extent of racism, civil rights in NI, apartheid in SA and of female suffrage ?.

Can anyone else see a link there, or am I right in thinking that it just exists in Glorianna's imagination?

Doodledog

Glorianny

Smileless2012

Doodledog's post isn't saying that at all. Sometimes you can end up thinking you must writing in a different language, as how else can what you have put so clearly, be totally misinterpreted!!!

Well this is an actual quote
then transpeople would probably be living quietly, much as before, and there would be no trans bulling in schools.

What else is that but it's your own fault for not knowing your place?

It means that had it not been for Stonewall and TRAs stirring up problems there would be far less transphobic bullying, and the situation so often described by you when transpeople lived among us without anyone knowing would not have been disrupted.

I said and meant nothing about bullying being the fault of transpeople, and nothing about knowing one's place. In fact I was at pains to point out that I think neither of those things, but clearly you have 'failed to understand' basic English.

Thanks, Smileless, for confirming that I am not losing my powers of expression. It does sometimes feel as though what appears on my screen as one thing arrives on Glorianna's as something entirely different.

Don't you know*Doodledog8 that exactly the same remarks have been made about all activists and the equality they were fighting for
About suffragettes, about black anti-apartheid demonstrators, about black civil rights activists . about civil rights activists in NI. If people just kept quiet there wouldn't be a problem.
Honestly it really is unbelievable!!

It is, unfortunately. Post something goady (often pretending to misunderstand a previous comment) then run away and refuse to reply when questioned on it.

It has gone on on these threads for as long as I have been posting, so it's nothing new, but pretending that insults, personal comments and 'hounding' comes from the GC 'side' of the argument is just dishonest.

Mollygo
At 11:08 I asked Glorianny, to define her current norm. Since there has been no response I expect she has been able to find one that would back up her claims or is playing the “I don’t have to answer you” game.

Glorianny’s response?
Did you? Sorry no intention of replying so don't hang around for me.
Just as I anticipated and for the reasons I gave. This is such a typical tri answer.

Glorianny

Smileless2012

Doodledog's post isn't saying that at all. Sometimes you can end up thinking you must writing in a different language, as how else can what you have put so clearly, be totally misinterpreted!!!

Well this is an actual quote
then transpeople would probably be living quietly, much as before, and there would be no trans bulling in schools.

What else is that but it's your own fault for not knowing your place?

It means that had it not been for Stonewall and TRAs stirring up problems there would be far less transphobic bullying, and the situation so often described by you when transpeople lived among us without anyone knowing would not have been disrupted.

I said and meant nothing about bullying being the fault of transpeople, and nothing about knowing one's place. In fact I was at pains to point out that I think neither of those things, but clearly you have 'failed to understand' basic English.

Thanks, Smileless, for confirming that I am not losing my powers of expression. It does sometimes feel as though what appears on my screen as one thing arrives on Glorianna's as something entirely different.

Mollygo

At 11:08 I asked Glorianny, to define her current norm. Since there has been no response I expect she has been able to find one that would back up her claims or is playing the “I don’t have to answer you” game.

I read this part if her post with interest.
I am not saying any of the things below, but evidently using her own words, Glorianny thinks that
it's transpeople's fault children are being bullied.
She supposes
black people are bullied because they have ideas above their station
even though no one except her has suggested that.

And girls are bullied because they imagine they are equal to boys. Which is totally the opposite of what is happening.

As she says,
Well who knew?

Did you?
Sorry no intention of replying so don't hang around for me.

At 11:08 I asked Glorianny, to define her current norm. Since there has been no response I expect she has been able to find one that would back up her claims or is playing the “I don’t have to answer you” game.

I read this part if her post with interest.
I am not saying any of the things below, but evidently using her own words, Glorianny thinks that
it's transpeople's fault children are being bullied.
She supposes
black people are bullied because they have ideas above their station
even though no one except her has suggested that.

And girls are bullied because they imagine they are equal to boys. Which is totally the opposite of what is happening.

As she says,
Well who knew?

Elegran

Equality does't mean being identical to the person you are equal to. Blondes and brunettes are equal, but can be distinguished from one another.

Wow what a profound statement. Mind it has been questioned in the past with statements like Blondes have more fun or Blondes are dimmer and brunettes are smarter
None of which have the slightest relevance as far as equality goes.
I also remember some research to prove that women with smaller breasts were smarter than women with larger ones.

Doesn't really matter equality is just that. Equal treatment, equal opportunity, equality before the law. Appearances, however you define anyone, don't matter.

Smileless2012

Doodledog's post isn't saying that at all. Sometimes you can end up thinking you must writing in a different language, as how else can what you have put so clearly, be totally misinterpreted!!!

Well this is an actual quote
then transpeople would probably be living quietly, much as before, and there would be no trans bulling in schools.

What else is that but it's your own fault for not knowing your place?

Equality does't mean being identical to the person you are equal to. Blondes and brunettes are equal, but can be distinguished from one another.