And I would say thank heavens, but really for all the changing of horses in midstream, what exactly have they done in the last decade-plus, that has improved our lives?
We find it hard to find anything positive that Brexit has brought us, but what good, please tell me, Conservative voters, has the Conservative/Plutocrat party done for our lives in that time? We have just been given more pain today for the promise of jam tomorrow.
Now we have one candidate for leader telling us the most likely leader is proposing tax plans which would plunge the economy into an inflationary “spiral”. Gove adds his thinking by telling us Truss is "on holiday from reality".
Truss has offered what the very small selectorate wants. It is so far from what the country needs that I believe she will have to do an about turn; I would guess by October but even September is possible.
So when will those who may be conservative but are certainly not plutocrats going to decide they cannot vote for this cabal? They have done so much damage I cannot believe the NHS will ever recover; it will go into the future at least partly privatised. That, however, is simply the most obvious of their deliberate destruction. Those voting for these serial liars must believe they can afford it - why go with it otherwise?
My last question is "How long?". No, I am not quoting Psalm 13; I just want to know how much longer these shysters will be left in power.
Truss has been chosen by neither the Tory MPs (she was not their first choice) nor the country at large, but by a tiny majority of 100000 - so possibly 51000 people have chosen our prime minister. Those 51k are not remotely representative of the country, being white, male, wealthy and elderly.
It is disgraceful.
I see that Johnson is on a farewell tour of Britain, emphasising how good he has been for the country?
Eggs anyone!
Whitewavemark2
Truss has been chosen by neither the Tory MPs (she was not their first choice) nor the country at large, but by a tiny majority of 100000 - so possibly 51000 people have chosen our prime minister. Those 51k are not remotely representative of the country, being white, male, wealthy and elderly.
It is disgraceful.
Do other political parties not choose their leader this way ?
I presume for instance if it was a Labour leader they would be chosen by the party and party members
I'm sure I shouldn't be cheered by this but you have to take possibilities where you find them. This is the last paragraph of today's New Statesman email.
In any case, whether Truss could get her plans through parliament is not certain. Yes, the government has a healthy majority in the Commons, but in the House of Lords, where the Conservatives do not have a majority, convention states that peers do not have to pass bills that weren’t contained in the governing party’s manifesto. Add to that the fact that the majority of Conservative MPs didn’t want Truss to become leader, and the toxicity of the leadership campaign, and Prime Minister Truss might have a tricky return to parliament next week.
DA yes I think that is a reasonable assumption, but I also think she will enjoy a honeymoon period, both by the Tory MPs and the right wing press. No doubt we will also see the polls looking much better for the Tories.
How long this lasts is the question.
What happens if Johnson manages to stuff the Lords with new tory peers in his resignation honours list? Do you think the revolting (in the 'revolutionary' sense of the word) old ones will outweigh them?
If he does stuff the HoL then he is doing the same to democracy, Maizie. Hopefully, there is some convention that can be quoted to stop him. That's very hopefully, though.
Sunak is hoping to be the UKs first Hindu PM.
Annaram1
Sunak is hoping to be the UKs first Hindu PM.
I’m not interested in his faith, his policies is what will make a difference to my life.
Annaram1
Sunak is hoping to be the UKs first Hindu PM.
And??
What Whitewavemark2 said.
Yes, indeed.
DaisyAnne
If he does stuff the HoL then he is doing the same to democracy, Maizie. Hopefully, there is some convention that can be quoted to stop him. That's very hopefully, though.
The nominations do, apparently, go to some Lords scrutiny committee, but seeing as they turned down Lebedev for a peerage but Johnson did it anyway it seems to be a bit toothless.
Yup, stuffing democracy seems about right...
I think it was mentioned in Rory Stewart’s podcast that Cameron tried to completely change the House of Lords totally undemocratically but I don’t remember what actually happened.
Elstow
Are you serious? Nick Robinson a Conservative activist? Grow up for goodness sake you muppet
According to various sources, Robinson is most definitely a Conservative. If he isn't, and you know something we don't - tell us
And telling people in our demographic to grow up and calling them a muppet is just rude.
You can disagree without resorting to the juvenile slurs frequently used on Facebook by those who might be forgiven because of their youth.
If Robinson isn't a Conservative - what is he?
I'll post this again in case the silly childish name caller didn't see it the first time.
"Robinson was a founder-member of Macclesfield Young Conservatives (YC) and rose through the ranks, becoming Cheshire YC Chairman from 1982 to 1984 and became a key activist in the moderate-controlled North West Area organisation. Philip Pedley, as National YC Chairman, co-opted Robinson onto the YC National Advisory Committee in 1983 and appointed him National Campaign Director of Youth for Multilateral Disarmament. Robinson was elected National Vice Chairman from 1985 to 1987 and succeeded a fellow moderate, Richard Fuller, when Robinson was elected Chairman of the National Young Conservatives on the moderate ticket against strong right-wing opposition (1987–1988).[7]
At university he was President of the Oxford University Conservative Association in 1985.["
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Robinson_(journalist)
Nick Robinson is just one of the many political journalists employed by the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation who are or have been Conservative Party activists.
If Liz Truss is afraid of being interviewed by Nick Robinson, how could she possibly stand up to interrogation be an impartial interviewer?
Whitewavemark2
I see that Johnson is on a farewell tour of Britain, emphasising how good he has been for the country?
Eggs anyone!
... a campaign tour heavily disguised as a farewell tour, kind of tour? 
? Trumpian - forever campaigning.
We do not have a presidential system. We elect individual MPs, most with party affiliations. The party with the most MPs forms the government and who leads the party in Parliament is an issue for the MPs and members of that party.
Whether this is a good, bad or indifferent way of doing it is immaterial. The same rule applies to every party. Which ever party is in power chooses its leader anyway it chooses. It could choose its leader by height, weight, drinking capacity, drawing a name out of a hat. it doesn't really matter
Currently the Conservatives are in power, and how they choose their leader is a matter only for them. I fail to see that if Labour were in power things would be any different, the same applies even if the Lib Dems, Greens, or Monster Raving Loony got into power.
I am just concerned, that in a run of ballots where only MPs voted, the two to get to the public vote are just of such abysmal low quality with the gravitas, intellect and leadership skills of a turnip.
If you want the Prime Minister to be chosen by a national vote, then we need to have a Presidential system like they have in the US
varian
Nick Robinson is just one of the many political journalists employed by the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation who are or have been Conservative Party activists.
If Liz Truss is afraid of being interviewed by Nick Robinson, how could she possibly stand up to interrogation be an impartial interviewer?
I am not saying it is true but you would hope that a journalist could rise above their own views and interview impartially.
The point is that in spite of their background in the Conservative party and their best efforts to be impartial, journalists like Nick Robinson are often accused of an anti-conservative bias.
Urgent advise for the next PM
Johnson will be earning vast sums as an after dinner speaker, then waiting in the wings for Truss to fall apart before making his comeback. #worstnightmare.
DaisyAnne
varian
Nick Robinson is just one of the many political journalists employed by the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation who are or have been Conservative Party activists.
If Liz Truss is afraid of being interviewed by Nick Robinson, how could she possibly stand up to interrogation be an impartial interviewer?I am not saying it is true but you would hope that a journalist could rise above their own views and interview impartially.
If you've watched Maitlis' lecture she says that journalists who are aware of their bias tend to go too far the other way to compensate.
vegansrock
Johnson will be earning vast sums as an after dinner speaker, then waiting in the wings for Truss to fall apart before making his comeback. #worstnightmare.
Extraordinary to think that the most corrupt and worthless PM we have ever known, far from being shunned by all decent people, is being tipped to make vast sums as an after dinner speaker. It speaks to the complete rottenness of the moneyed sector of our society, doesn't it?
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