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Only two weeks to go until the end of the Tory leadership contest Only two weeks to go

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DaisyAnne Mon 22-Aug-22 10:31:47

And I would say thank heavens, but really for all the changing of horses in midstream, what exactly have they done in the last decade-plus, that has improved our lives?

We find it hard to find anything positive that Brexit has brought us, but what good, please tell me, Conservative voters, has the Conservative/Plutocrat party done for our lives in that time? We have just been given more pain today for the promise of jam tomorrow.

Now we have one candidate for leader telling us the most likely leader is proposing tax plans which would plunge the economy into an inflationary “spiral”. Gove adds his thinking by telling us Truss is "on holiday from reality".

Truss has offered what the very small selectorate wants. It is so far from what the country needs that I believe she will have to do an about turn; I would guess by October but even September is possible.

So when will those who may be conservative but are certainly not plutocrats going to decide they cannot vote for this cabal? They have done so much damage I cannot believe the NHS will ever recover; it will go into the future at least partly privatised. That, however, is simply the most obvious of their deliberate destruction. Those voting for these serial liars must believe they can afford it - why go with it otherwise?

My last question is "How long?". No, I am not quoting Psalm 13; I just want to know how much longer these shysters will be left in power.

Dinahmo Mon 29-Aug-22 18:52:13

Liz Truss has pulled out of an interview with Nick Robinson which she agreed to do earlier in the month. Sunak has faced Robinson but it would appear that Truss is running scared.

One can only hope that the Tory Party members who appear to support her will realise that Sunak is the better of the two candidates and that he is not about to introduce rises in the rates of tax.

The following is an excerpt from a Guardian article -

A source in Sunak’s campaign said their tally showed Truss had done just two broadcast interviews of any form during the campaign, whereas Sunak had undertaken nine, also including three spots on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme and an appearance on ITV’s This Morning.

The source said: “It’s important that candidates face proper scrutiny so that members and the public know what they are offering. Avoiding that scrutiny suggests either Truss doesn’t have a plan at all or the plan she has falls far short of the challenges we face this winter.”

Wendy Chamberlain, the Liberal Democrats’ chief whip, said: “Liz Truss is running scared of the media and proper public scrutiny. How can she lead our country through an economic crisis when she can’t even cope with a basic media interview?

“She wants to follow in Margaret Thatcher’s footsteps but she’s fallen at the first hurdle. She’s fighting for the highest office by answering the lowest number of difficult questions.”

varian Mon 29-Aug-22 20:06:30

Wendy Chamberlain is absolutely right. Liz Truss is afraid of proper scrutiny. It says something when a Tory leadership candidate shies away from examination by the tame and subservient BBC which has been so kind to their party for too many years

Nick Robinson has a history of being a Conservative activist. If Truss can't face him how would she ever face a neutral or even antagonistic interviewer?

Elstow Mon 29-Aug-22 20:09:18

What a pathetic post. I voted for Liz Truss weeks ago but like so many members I would have preferred Boris to stay as PM.
Can't imagine the depth of manure we'd be in now if Labour had been in charge....

Elstow Mon 29-Aug-22 20:10:39

Are you serious? Nick Robinson a Conservative activist? Grow up for goodness sake you muppet

Ilovecheese Mon 29-Aug-22 20:16:38

Her policy of avoiding scrutiny is working for her though, she is on track to win and doesn't want to scupper her chances by putting her foot in her mouth any more than she absolutely has to.

Ilovecheese Mon 29-Aug-22 20:19:16

Gosh Elstow what a charmer you are!

Casdon Mon 29-Aug-22 20:39:33

As a Tory member, can you tell us why you think Liz Truss has decided she won’t be interviewed Elstow?

varian Mon 29-Aug-22 20:55:42

Robinson was a founder-member of Macclesfield Young Conservatives (YC) and rose through the ranks, becoming Cheshire YC Chairman from 1982 to 1984 and became a key activist in the moderate-controlled North West Area organisation. Philip Pedley, as National YC Chairman, co-opted Robinson onto the YC National Advisory Committee in 1983 and appointed him National Campaign Director of Youth for Multilateral Disarmament. Robinson was elected National Vice Chairman from 1985 to 1987 and succeeded a fellow moderate, Richard Fuller, when Robinson was elected Chairman of the National Young Conservatives on the moderate ticket against strong right-wing opposition (1987–1988).[7]

At university he was President of the Oxford University Conservative Association in 1985.[8][9]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Robinson_(journalist)

varian Mon 29-Aug-22 21:00:40

Elstow

Are you serious? Nick Robinson a Conservative activist? Grow up for goodness sake you muppet

No , I am not a muppet, just someone who prefers fact to fiction. Elstow

Nick Robinson is just one of many conservatives who have been political commentators for the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation.

Fleurpepper Mon 29-Aug-22 21:01:55

Elstow

Are you serious? Nick Robinson a Conservative activist? Grow up for goodness sake you muppet

totally out of order language. Nick Robinson has laways been a Conservative anyhow.

varian Mon 29-Aug-22 21:03:26

For example Andrew Neil

After school, Neil attended the University of Glasgow, where he edited the student newspaper, the Glasgow University Guardian, and dabbled in student television. He was a member of the Dialectic Society and the Conservative Club, and participated in Glasgow University Union inter-varsity debates. In 1971, he was chairman of the Federation of Conservative Students. He graduated in 1971, with an MA with honours in political economy and political science.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Neil

varian Mon 29-Aug-22 21:10:57

Elstow

Are you serious? Nick Robinson a Conservative activist? Grow up for goodness sake you muppet

Are you denying the fact that Nick Robinson, like Andrew Neil and many other BBC journalists have been active members of the Cnservative Party Elstow??

DaisyAnne Mon 29-Aug-22 21:28:20

The EU is now talking about decoupling the gas price to bring the cost of all energy down. Meanwhile, we are still stuck in the Groundhog Day of the Conservative Party election.

varian Mon 29-Aug-22 21:36:08

Elstow

What a pathetic post. I voted for Liz Truss weeks ago but like so many members I would have preferred Boris to stay as PM.
Can't imagine the depth of manure we'd be in now if Labour had been in charge....

You only have to read the Daily Mail as many Conservative voters do, to see the depth of manure that Boros Johnson's government had inflicted on this country.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11155465/Sewage-flushed-rivers-illegal-pipes-latest-pollution-scandal-probe-finds.html

Dinahmo Mon 29-Aug-22 22:28:51

Elstow One day you'll wake up and smell the ordure left by Johnson.

There are several GNers who have supported Brexit and then Johnson for a long time and have had a change of heart. Maybe you too will have a road to Damascus conversion?

MaizieD Tue 30-Aug-22 00:50:51

Perhaps Elstow could tell us why they think Labour would have been so bad? People frequently come out with that little gem but never explain... hmm

nanna8 Tue 30-Aug-22 03:08:34

Is it true that Sunak is now in a leading position ? That is what is being reported here but they often are biased or get it wrong. I don’t like the look or sound of either of them tbh

DiamondLily Tue 30-Aug-22 04:35:40

varian

Wendy Chamberlain is absolutely right. Liz Truss is afraid of proper scrutiny. It says something when a Tory leadership candidate shies away from examination by the tame and subservient BBC which has been so kind to their party for too many years

Nick Robinson has a history of being a Conservative activist. If Truss can't face him how would she ever face a neutral or even antagonistic interviewer?

No different to Johnson, hiding in that industrial fridge, before the last election, so that journalists couldn't ask him any questions.

Cowards.

Truss is like the empty vessel theory - makes a lot of noise, but never says much that is meaningful or useful.

Johnson is supporting her because he thinks he can help bring her down, and come storming back as leader.

But, at least we can all cheer that she wants to keep Nadine Dorries in post - we will need a few laughs, with her crazy ramblings, before the next election.?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11158185/Liz-Truss-backs-Culture-Secretary-Nadine-Dorries-post-Tory-leader.html

growstuff Tue 30-Aug-22 05:32:26

MaizieD

Perhaps Elstow could tell us why they think Labour would have been so bad? People frequently come out with that little gem but never explain... hmm

Schools are starting soon, so the kiddies won't have time to post wind-up drivel.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 30-Aug-22 06:32:39

Why isn’t Truss being door-stepped to ask why she won’t be interviewed by BBC ? This would certainly happen if it was a labour candidate.

vegansrock Tue 30-Aug-22 07:05:58

Truss will be marmelised by a half decent interviewer and her advisors know it, so she will avoid scrutiny. I can’t understand why Johnson apologists are happy to have a proven corrupt liar in power and think he’s better than anyone shows how low the bar is. Meanwhile, the tories have left this country literally in deep shit.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 30-Aug-22 10:17:58

How on earth do we end up with a PM, whose policies ( I use the term guardedly) won’t stand up to a journalists questioning.

henetha Tue 30-Aug-22 10:22:59

It's pathetic. Heaven help up if Liz Truss is elected. Rishi Sunak is not much better, but at least appears to have a brain.

Wheniwasyourage Tue 30-Aug-22 10:27:47

Why do I find myself in Private Fraser mode so often? "We're aa' dooomed"...

silverlining48 Tue 30-Aug-22 10:34:32

I find it strange Truss was named as a winner very early on despite doing poorly in the initial selection. Almost as if it was already decided.
I am not a Tory but my choice would be Sunak.