Johnson's mental health?

Many of us were not surprised, at all. But then it became evident he was much much worse than we even expected.

Elstow

Oh do grow up & stop your silliness

... and stand outside in the corridor and see me after lessons are over...

I have said in a previous post that Boris is a product of his intellect, education, upbringing and life experience. Genes also have a part to play. He's just Boris. I'm amazed that people were surprised at his behaviour.

However, it is not about cramming anyone into a mould- but someonw who was our PM and has caused so much damage on his way- and probably planning to cause a lot more hence.

Not about an individual, but one who has massive influence at a time of crises we've never known the like. As such, I do believe it is very important to understand the dynamics better, and how a personality disorder influences what happens.

Aveline

Why try to pathologise anyone? I'm uncomfortable with people trying to cram others into moulds. Boris is just Boris.

and Trump just Trump? That was my last question.

Elstow, do ignore if you'd rather. Your prerogative.

Are you talking to yourself elstow?

Labour: ????joke party

Damn right we do.

Oh do grow up & stop your silliness

Leave the guy alone for goodness sake. Bad enough with MSM all over his case since he took office.

Why try to pathologise anyone? I'm uncomfortable with people trying to cram others into moulds. Boris is just Boris.

Since posting and reading your responses, I've done a little research to try and examine the difference, between personality disorder and mental illness. This is from the British Journal of Psychiatry

''Proposals by the UK Government for preventive detention of people with ‘dangerous severe personality disorders' highlight the unresolved issue of whether personality disorders should be regarded as mental illnesses.

Aims

To clarify the issue by examining the concepts of psychopathy and personality disorder, the attitudes of contemporary British psychiatrists to personality disorders, and the meaning of the terms ‘mental illness'and ‘mental disorder’.

Method

The literature on personality disorder is assessed in the context of four contrasting concepts of illness or disease.

Results

Whichever of the four concepts or definitions is chosen, it is impossible to conclude with confidence that personality disorders are, or are not, mental illnesses; there are ambiguities in the definitions and basic information about personality disorders is lacking.

Conclusions

The historical reasons for regarding personality disorders as fundamentally different from mental illnesses are being undermined by both clinical and genetic evidence. Effective treatments for personality disorders would probably have a decisive influence on psychiatrists' attitudes.''

Back to Johnson, it seems most here agree that he has a 'personality disorder' rather than a 'mental health issue'. The line between the two is possibly very thin.

On the other hand- what about Trump, by 'comparison'. Johnson is I'd say much better educated, and more intelligent in many ways - but ???

Zonne

^Blair had the advantage of being supported by Murdoch, whole gave him the headlines he needed^

Exactly! People moan that Starmer isn’t attacking the Tories on a daily basis but we only see / hear what the right wing media puts out

I think neither of these are entirely true. Labour (not Blair, because we elect governments, not presidents) was already set to win in 1997 before Murdoch put his oar in. Murdoch simply followed public opinion, and has reaped the unearned benefit of being a perceived kingmaker ever since.

And the media do report - even if not favourably - when Labour make a potentially transformative policy announcement. The main problem is that they don’t do it often enough, and they don’t have a coherent narrative about their position on many issues.

I take your point, and I do think that you are right about failing to have a coherent narrative.

To my mind Starmer needs to be more radical.

Blair had the advantage of being supported by Murdoch, whole gave him the headlines he needed

Exactly! People moan that Starmer isn’t attacking the Tories on a daily basis but we only see / hear what the right wing media puts out

I think neither of these are entirely true. Labour (not Blair, because we elect governments, not presidents) was already set to win in 1997 before Murdoch put his oar in. Murdoch simply followed public opinion, and has reaped the unearned benefit of being a perceived kingmaker ever since.

And the media do report - even if not favourably - when Labour make a potentially transformative policy announcement. The main problem is that they don’t do it often enough, and they don’t have a coherent narrative about their position on many issues.

MaizieD

^Political insiders say that Johnson thinks Truss will implode, within a year, and another Tory leadership contest will be needed.^

Of course, he has to survive the privileges committee
investigation of his lying to Parliament about the Downing St parties. It could well end up with him losing his seat. He might find it difficult to come back from that.

And, is the voting public really so stupid as to want him back?

Surely if that happens they would just have to go for GE!

Possibly.

Political insiders say that Johnson thinks Truss will implode, within a year, and another Tory leadership contest will be needed.

Of course, he has to survive the privileges committee
investigation of his lying to Parliament about the Downing St parties. It could well end up with him losing his seat. He might find it difficult to come back from that.

And, is the voting public really so stupid as to want him back?

In the meantime, though, this government are still sneaking through laws ( or removing old ones) that will give them more power. They are destroying democracy. This is all down to Johnson and his disdain for being controlled by any sort of rules, especially the rule of law. I find it very frightening.

Blair had the advantage of being supported by Murdoch, whole gave him the headlines he needed.

Exactly! People moan that Starmer isn’t attacking the Tories on a daily basis but we only see / hear what the right wing media puts out. They simply don’t report what he says or give him any air time. If you want to find out want Starmer is saying you have to actively search for it, which most people won’t do.

DiamondLily

Political insiders say that Johnson thinks Truss will implode, within a year, and another Tory leadership contest will be needed.

At that point, he feels he can rise again.

Hopefully not.?

Just when you thought things could not get any worse!
I alternate between thinking he is a duplicitous but highly intelligent calculating narcissist and mad as a box of frogs.
I wonder if they are mutually exclusive though?

DiamondLily

Political insiders say that Johnson thinks Truss will implode, within a year, and another Tory leadership contest will be needed.

At that point, he feels he can rise again.

Hopefully not.?

Let's hope that his short lived successor hasn't stripped out the Lytle decor from the no. 11 flat then. He'd have to go through all the bother of finding a rich donor to pay for its reinstatement

I do wonder how all these people with money supposedly acquired because of their perspicacity and great business acumen are willing to part with large quantities of their wealth to a worthless scrounger...

More and more like Trump then. Perhaps they have common ( using the word advisedly) ancestors ?

Yes, I’ve thought that that was going to happen for a while.
I’d put money on it.
It ties in with his ridiculous Churchill fixation too.
It will probably all happen while Labour are squabbling amongst themselves, and we’ll be stuck with the Tories for perpetuity.

(It’s being so cheerful that keeps me going )

Political insiders say that Johnson thinks Truss will implode, within a year, and another Tory leadership contest will be needed.

At that point, he feels he can rise again.

Hopefully not.?