Period Dignity Officer post scrapped!

Mollygo

But Glorianny I was agreeing with you. Why would I need to explain anything?

Great to know that you agree that a job cannot be assigned based only on sex MollyGo and that doing so can only be a harmful step for women.

eazybee

More importantly, concerns were raised about the process of the appointment of this particular man for the role. He was appointed by the person who had appointed him to his two previous positions following a brief time of advertisement and application for the post, plus his lack of appropriate qualifications and experience, both medical and managerial.

I would value Martina Navratilova's opinion highly as she has far more experience of dealing with period problems during a very physical and stressful career, and presumably also the menopause.

I think the bigger problem is the way he was appointed, as described in the first paragraph of easybee quote above. He was given the appointment by the person who had given him his previous jobs. The post was advertised for a very short time and not very widely.
It doesn't look good when there are suggestions of nepotism in these sorts of appointments. Whoever did appoint him though, should have stuck with him if he thought he really was the best person for the job, not jettisoned him at the first sign of trouble.

I wasn't addressing anything you said Lathyrus so maybe you don't need to worry about it

hope this helps

But Glorianny I was agreeing with you. Why would I need to explain anything?

VioletSky

You could try asking me Lathyrus

Which part are you struggling with?

The whole thing really.

It just seemed a string of disjointed sentences.

Maybe they referred back to previous posts but if so it wasn’t clear.

It’s why I use the quote function a lot. It can be irritating but at least people know what the posters comment refers to.

Mollygo

Glorianny
If things are going to be separated by sex you can bet that it won't be men who will come off worse.
What a wonderful post. Here’s something we agree on and who will be making sure that happens? Why men of course!
And if they can’t arrange that by being men, they’re sure to try being . . . to make sure females do come off worse.

as everyone has been to school, we could all be teachers. ???
What makes that so funny is that some parents think that’s true, for exactly that reason, -or they did until Covid happened.

Thanks for quoting me Molly Go, perhaps you would like to explain to me how insisting women have certain roles isn't actually buying into the idea of separate provisions for both sexes and actually ensuring that men are able to once again decide where women go and what they do? Because there are countries who currently have such restrictions, and people in this country who would like to see such restrictions. How that helps women I don't know.

Of course the teacher bit was funny. But it's just as true because someone has periods they wouldn't be suitable as a Period Dignity Officer.

You could try asking me Lathyrus

Which part are you struggling with?

VioletSky

People bringing my profession into this does make me laugh

I work in KS1?

Adults choose their own behaviour

Really not my place to police an adults tone for the sake of those who choose to put their own inflection on it rightly or wrongly

I read the words in a neutral tone, I don't have the ability to do that

This doesn’t make any kind of sense.

Anybody?

People bringing my profession into this does make me laugh

I work in KS1?

Adults choose their own behaviour

Really not my place to police an adults tone for the sake of those who choose to put their own inflection on it rightly or wrongly

I read the words in a neutral tone, I don't have the ability to do that

Callistemon21

^Or are we allowed a backbone and an opinion?^
Of course.

But I'm sure, especially in the job you do, you can recognise the difference between assertion and aggression.

I'm still puzzling over the fact that Gransnet could have cost someone their job - who knew we had such power?

Well I'll leave you all to congratulate yourselves that the outdated attitudes shown in this thread have cost someone their job

Sorry, I didn't think I needed to explain that. ?

VioletSky

Doodledog

How do you know this, VS? What has been 'proven wrong'?

Read the thread doodledog?

I would only be able to give you the headlines

I have read it.

I'm just not sure what any of us know beyond what is in the papers, or what has been proven - it seems to me that there are only differing opinions to work with. However, those who feel that regardless of the sex of the post holder, he was (on the face of it at least) not good at PR, crisis management, media management, reputation management, communicating with diverse audiences or navigating the tricky waters of gender politics are accused of being 'a mob', told that we 'don't understand the issues and positioned as somehow unfeminist, and I am questioning that.

I agree that hounding him from office (if that is what happened) would be wrong, but in the same way that feminists on here are routinely told that we shouldn't judge non-violent trans supporters by the actions of TRAs, those who voice opposition to a man presiding over period dignity should not be judged by the actions of hounders, if they exist.

Quote from that article:

A spokesperson for the working group said: "It is regrettable that given the threats and abuse levelled at individuals in recent weeks, the period dignity regional lead officer role will not continue
Support will continue to be provided to the colleagues and students who have been subjected to personal attack. Their safety and wellbeing are of paramount importance."

Whether or not one thinks it is ok for a man to do that job, the above is really concerning. Policy/identified job needs should NOT be decided by intimidation and personal attack

Jackiest

Yes period dignaty is a problem and needs solving. But there thousands of other problems that need solving. Do we really need a minister for every one.

A minister?

I don't know what to say...

OK Lathyrus

Although there does seem to be confusion between the two in some minds?

VioletSky

Doodledog

How do you know this, VS? What has been 'proven wrong'?

Read the thread doodledog?

I would only be able to give you the headlines

There’s a lot of opinions on the thread.

The only proven fact is that the a decision has been taken not to continue with the original initiative.

Opinion, however strongly held, is only that.

Yes period dignaty is a problem and needs solving. But there thousands of other problems that need solving. Do we really need a minister for every one.

Glorianny
If things are going to be separated by sex you can bet that it won't be men who will come off worse.
What a wonderful post. Here’s something we agree on and who will be making sure that happens? Why men of course!
And if they can’t arrange that by being men, they’re sure to try being . . . to make sure females do come off worse.

as everyone has been to school, we could all be teachers. ???
What makes that so funny is that some parents think that’s true, for exactly that reason, -or they did until Covid happened.

Doodledog

How do you know this, VS? What has been 'proven wrong'?

Read the thread doodledog?

I would only be able to give you the headlines

I don't think it is rational or reasonable to think you can judge a person's ability to do any job simply by looking at their sex. It isn't that long ago that women were considered unsuitable for so many things for that reason. Why would we now choose to do the same to men?

When my mother was in hospital the best and most caring nurse was a man, she also said he was the gentlest when he helped her shower or dress. The most aggressive and difficult nurse was a woman, who demanded the first time I saw her "Does your mother have accidents?" As mum had just been diagnosed with a fractured pelvis after falling I didn't know what to answer. What was in fact wrong was that my mother, dosed up with painkillers and immobile, hadn't called for a bedpan early enough, so this nurse had decided she was incontinent and we were hiding it. Sex is no guarantee of care or of suitability for a job.

How do you know this, VS? What has been 'proven wrong'?

Concerned.....

Too many "concerns" were completely unfounded and proven wrong by simply reading past the headlines

VioletSky

Callistemon21

Well I'll leave you all to congratulate yourselves that the outdated attitudes shown in this thread have cost someone their job, and made an innovative policy harder to implement. All because of ignorance and prejudice.

That is a ridiculous post
I'm sure the previous Gransnet thread about this influenced the decision. ?

Why do you always write such aggressive posts on so many threads to those who may have a different opinion to you, volver?
You may not always be correct in your views even if you think you are but it's possible to state your views without attacking others, surely? Other posters manage it.
Just curious really.

It's the truth.

How do you invisage a feminist?

Do you think we should meekly go around tugging sleeves whispering "excuse me, if you could just possibly listen to me for a moment please, thank you...hello?"

Or are we allowed a backbone and an opinion?

There is no abuse in the post you quoted, just truth.

You don't get to call the truth mean because you don't like hearing it.

Well no, it’s not truth. It’s an opinion.

It could have said

Well I’ll leave you all to congratulate yourselves on the clear-sighted attitudes that have ensured that an inappropriate candidate has been removed from the post and an ill-considered initiative has been brought to an end.

All because of thoughtful and rational arguments voiced by concerned people.

The facts that are the truth are still there. What’s changed is the opinion and the emotive language.

Or are we allowed a backbone and an opinion?
Of course.

But I'm sure, especially in the job you do, you can recognise the difference between assertion and aggression.

I'm still puzzling over the fact that Gransnet could have cost someone their job - who knew we had such power?

To me this all smacks of a box ticking exercise - ticking the box marked diversity or equality, which we all know has to be adhered to these days.
For instance last week I read that the RAF is so in thrall to this politically correct nonsense that it positively discriminates against white male recruits regardless of their ability.