Period Dignity Officer post scrapped!

FarNorth

Why didn't he just get on with the task of liaising with employers, if that was actually the job?

I can't believe there was such a huge barrage of threats & abuse, rather than people giving opinions, that the whole thing had to be abandoned.

volver I don't get upset that you avoid replying to a particular point.
I mentioned it as you are so sure you're right and I'll just mention, now, that you've avoided it again this morning.

So people from al around the world, including former tennis players, actors and random women off social media sites, have complained about this person getting a job. They've posted goodness knows what kind of comments, they've displayed rampant discrimination and (willfully?) misunderstood the role. They are fixated on one publicity photo for the Dundee Courier as though that defines the whole project.

The man probably feels terrible, but FarNorth doesn't believe all that. Maybe he should just man up, do you think?

I've forgotten what it is that you think I'm ignoring but I'm almost sure it's some irrelevant piece of information which you think defines the attitude of the patriarchy.

More importantly, concerns were raised about the process of the appointment of this particular man for the role. He was appointed by the person who had appointed him to his two previous positions following a brief time of advertisement and application for the post, plus his lack of appropriate qualifications and experience, both medical and managerial.

I would value Martina Navratilova's opinion highly as she has far more experience of dealing with period problems during a very physical and stressful career, and presumably also the menopause.

Why didn't he just get on with the task of liaising with employers, if that was actually the job?

I can't believe there was such a huge barrage of threats & abuse, rather than people giving opinions, that the whole thing had to be abandoned.

volver I don't get upset that you avoid replying to a particular point.
I mentioned it as you are so sure you're right and I'll just mention, now, that you've avoided it again this morning.

Exactly

So let's scrap a roll that was looking into period poverty

Makes no sense

There are men out there who know a hell of a lot more about female anatomy than I do.

And there are men out there who know a hell of a lot more about how to do this job role than I do.

As long as they do it well, lots of women don't care but enough do to create an entire campaign of misinformation and tank the whole idea

And volver is justified to be angry about that, I am just as angry honestly

Every woman doesnt make that choice though, I have no strong feelings about the sex of the person doing this job, but do very much so about intimate care roles. I probably agree with some of the comments made at the time this reared its head, I think it's probably distraction from the issue of poverty.

And I'm afraid that try as we might, we cannot make up the ratios to 50/50 because of who generally chooses maternity leave or part time hours to raise children or the fact that a lot of long term health problems tend to affect women more than men

I'm aware of that Kadinsky and I am also aware that if every woman made that choice, many women would suffer as a result due to lack of staff available

VioletSky

In a lot of cases regarding intimate health care, women are offered the option of seeing a female gp, especially in cultural/ religious cases.

Let's hope the misinformation campaign doesn't go after male
nurses, male midwives, male gynaecologists, male surgeons performing any female anatomy related surgery and male GPs who dare to prescribe the pill or HRT or dares to refer women to the rest of the list

Sigh

The insensitivity of this appointment is stunning as is the inability to understand why women might be unhappy about it. I guess that requires a degree of empathy though.

In some jobs, it really is best to take a sensitive, common sense approach - & this was such a job.
Could they really not find a woman good enough for the job?
I’m all for equality, but this seems like they deliberately chose a man just for the sake of it.
And from what I’m hearing on this thread it’s more an office based / coordinator type job, so a woman couldn’t do that?
It’s not a highly skilled job like a doctor where you accept a man may have to deliver your baby.
I wouldn’t expect a woman to be the face of a prostate cancer campaign for example.
Just because a man or a woman can do job, doesn’t mean it’s always right.
Should we have a man telling us how to breast feed or check our breasts for signs of cancer? A women isn’t good enough?

"the upshot is that a role that was regarded as essential has been ditched because a man received a tiny portion of what some women receive on a daily basis."

So, in your opinion it's ok for a man to be abused and threatened because some women are? These attitudes make me sick. The paranoia is overwhelming.

FarNorth

^They deliberately put out misleading publicity while hoping that people wouldn't accept what they were being shown and would look further? To where?^

Comment on the silliness of the red top but no comment about this bit volver?

Sorry FarNorth I went to bed.

I understand it must be galling for you when people don't do exactly what you want them to. For example, going to bed, or giving a job to someone you don't approve of.

Well I'll leave you all to congratulate yourselves that the outdated attitudes shown in this thread have cost someone their job, and made an innovative policy harder to implement. All because of ignorance and prejudice.

Rosie51, the job did not require the person to have experienced periods. I don't imagine there would be any direct discussions between women experiencing periods and the job holder, whether make or female. Whether the job description will now be changed we will need to wait and see.

In terms of precise knowledge, there are both male and females gynaecologists so I don't agree that everyone needs to have experienced the precise situation to be good at the job.

But I'm not making any further comment as all of this has already been said elsewhere.

a workplace changed buildings.
in a meeting to discuss issues arising, a woman pointed out that the vending machines in the women's loos had disappeared.
a man asked how important this was in the middle of london. cue puzzled looks by the women.
he continued, i mean how urgent is the need.
he was a middle-aged environmental health officer.

DorothyGlamour

Rosie51 there is a previous thread that started when the job was announced. Lots of the comments on that are the same or very similar to lots on here. It is quite clear that far too many people still fail to understand what the job is/ was about but continue to comment despite this.

All I know is it's the female of the species that experience periods. One might suppose that a female perspective and understanding of the issues surrounding periods and their management could possibly be relevant? I'm supposing that a campaign addressing the issues of premature ejaculation or impotence amongst males might possibly be thought to be more easily understood by males rather than females? Then again, males are the more intelligent, aware beings of the human race, so who knows?

No wonder when the publicity was (apparently) completely misleading Dorothy.

Rosie51 there is a previous thread that started when the job was announced. Lots of the comments on that are the same or very similar to lots on here. It is quite clear that far too many people still fail to understand what the job is/ was about but continue to comment despite this.

Farmor, thanks for that link; what a wacky family, but in an unamusing way, i just knew covid would come up...it's like bingo.
totally misleading headline.
and what a headache they are for the courts. and for anyone who has to have anything to do with them.

They deliberately put out misleading publicity while hoping that people wouldn't accept what they were being shown and would look further? To where?

Comment on the silliness of the red top but no comment about this bit volver?

DorothyGlamour

FFS. Can't believe this is all kicking off again with the same old comments being spewed out by some.

What comments? Not an especially helpful or insightful post if you don't elaborate.

FFS. Can't believe this is all kicking off again with the same old comments being spewed out by some.

Who's their audience?

Surely the 4 people in charge of this period dignity campaign had a say in the publicity? It can't have been left to the PR company to dream up what the job might be about?
You'd think so, FarNorth

Strange picture, two men, one woman looking pleased and one young teenager whose body language looks as if she's rather not be there.

So we have an a not-very-effective PR company or if that doesn't work a PR company who credited their audience with some common sense? or if neither of these work I'm sure volver can come up with some alternatives. Regardless, the upshot is that a role that was regarded as essential has been ditched because a man received a tiny portion of what some women receive on a daily basis. Cry me a river.

The red top thing is silly and it shows how extreme people are in their thinking about this.

Perhaps the PR company credited their audience with some common sense?