The Queen…

The walkabout at Windsor looked somewhat forced. Harry with his hand across his tummy as he walks always looks like he is suffering from indigestion, and Meghan looked awkward and out of her depth. Did Catherine ever say anything to her?

The nation - and much of parts of the world - focused on the RF at the moment; William and Kate knowing full-well that Britain in particular is acutely aware of the sibling-rift; H&M aware that their every move is being scrutinised by the media and the people.

They had to appear in public - all four of them, together. Under the present circumstances, it was inevitable. Inevitable that they would have to put on a show of unity, and inevitable that each knew they were being closely watched by both the public and the press. It looked forced because it was. It's a pity they were not allowed to look at the tributes to the Queen - in privacy.

Can I make a suggestion? That those of us who want to talk about how we feel about the Queen, carry on doing so here, and those who can't help themselves from criticising other Royals and discussing constitutional matter go and do it on the threads specifically started on those topics?

Of course I'm not thread monitor, etc, etc....

How was it made awkward? I expect H&M felt awkward because they know they have behaved dishonourably.

tickingbird

CatsCatsCats

I thought this was supposed to be a thread to talk about the Queen, and not dig up the interminable quarrels over Harry and Meghan?

Or to attempt a discussion on how to create even more division and the legalities of an Englishman being Prince if Wales. The hatred (yes that’s what it is) runs deep with some.

Enough now. I've started a new thread.

Show some respect.

Anybody else find it hypocritical that the Royal Family can use H&M to make themselves look good. Either accept them back into the family fold and move on or leave them out of the meeting the commoners who leave flowers. Or do it at separate times. Don’t try to make it look like you are extending the olive branch and then make it awkward so it is obvious that there is still a problem.

I’ve done it, anyway

CatsCatsCats

I thought this was supposed to be a thread to talk about the Queen, and not dig up the interminable quarrels over Harry and Meghan?

Or to attempt a discussion on how to create even more division and the legalities of an Englishman being Prince if Wales. The hatred (yes that’s what it is) runs deep with some.

Why not the Sussex’s, the Cambridge’s have been brought into
this thread

Thanks Cats
Yes, please start a separate thread. Volver has already started one about the Prince of Wales.
I’ll do it if need be!
H&M threads are always a lively proposition!

I thought this was supposed to be a thread to talk about the Queen, and not dig up the interminable quarrels over Harry and Meghan?

The book will still be published, maybe delayed, and they will make money from the Queen’s death and funeral. It’s distasteful.

paddyann54

My cousin who was born and lives in South wales says theres a massive petition doing the rounds to stop the title Prince of Wales being used again.
She says the Welsh ,herself included believe an Englih prince ha no right to use it as it was taken(stolen) illegally and that there has been a lot of interest in the petition with signature numbers rising fast .
Will we see a rise in the Welsh Independence movement?

How big is "massive"? It often means "me and my friends on Twitter".

In this "all about me" technology-fed world, individuals often feel they can, or should have, a great deal more say than is possible or right for the nation. Sometimes, decisions need to be at a higher level for the optimum, not the individual outcome.

For people wishing to line the route in Scotland

I too agree with Allsorts And yes I think they will make money from this .

He won’t cancel his memoirs. Too much money at stake and he’d have to pay back the large advance.

Totally agree with Allsorts, the walkabout was clearly a damage control exercise that William and Catherine had undertaken. Who knows what the Sussex's have planned, lets hope Harry cancels his memoirs, and the funeral doesn't end up on Netflix. I won't be holding my breath!!

Allsorts

Volver, first of all anyone that wrongly accuses another person(s) of things that have been found to be untrue and to promote sympathy for themselves at any cost to the other party, could be taken to court. Megan was welcomed with open arms into the Royal family. The British public couldn't have made her more welcome. She knew what the role would entail when she married, she wasn’t a naive young thing. Her actions caused so much hurt and Harry supported her. From the start she made it clear, we were not allowed to see a picture of babies, the sudden announcement they were moving to America leaving the family reeling, the lies about Charles cutting them off. You might well think this is acceptable moral behaviour but most if us do not. Our Queen, calmly doing her duty with all the worry of that and Andrew, at an age when many had been retired 30 years. So if that is others moral compass it certainly isn’t mine.
Kate and William will be excellent in their roles as Princess and Prince of Wales, their duties are many as you will see if you read up on it.

People put a negative spin on everything she does; things which could be interpreted in an entirely different way.

Not allowed to see pictures of her babies - would you want pics of your newborns in all the papers, while struggling with being a new Mum? Why should she not make this decision? What is wrong with it?

Why should they not choose to go and live in America? Anyone else could do that without approbation falling on their heads.

Lies about Charles cutting them off? We do not know what went on behind the scenes, so cannot make a judgement on this. Clearly there was a disagreement about Charles' decision/s. I do not know what goes on behind the scenes in your family; and the royal family quite understandably plat their cards close to their chests.

What I think is immoral is vilifying someone in the press in the absence of facts.

I have no axe to grind on behalf of H&M - I just think fairness is important. Some people seem to be personally hurt that their idea of a fairy tale princess and happy ending has not happened - it was never going to. One woman cannot live out the fantasies of millions - she just has her life to lead.

Well Allsorts I'm not sure why you felt the need to launch into a detailed description of what you consider to be the Duchess of Sussex's faults on this thread about the passing of the Queen, but it rather reinforces what I said on a completely different thread. To paraphrase, some people can't help showing themselves for what they really are.

I'm quite interested in the whole Prince of Wales thing, but I might start a new thread to avoid plunging this one into personal animosity.

I do think ITV have done a good job, usually I watch BBC, I do have a break from it though. The footage last night that the Queen herself had filmed was lovely, that very close bond with her family and with her grandmother Mary and their connection with Balmoral was enlightening. So I am flitting between those two when I do catch up on it.

Volver, first of all anyone that wrongly accuses another person(s) of things that have been found to be untrue and to promote sympathy for themselves at any cost to the other party, could be taken to court. Megan was welcomed with open arms into the Royal family. The British public couldn't have made her more welcome. She knew what the role would entail when she married, she wasn’t a naive young thing. Her actions caused so much hurt and Harry supported her. From the start she made it clear, we were not allowed to see a picture of babies, the sudden announcement they were moving to America leaving the family reeling, the lies about Charles cutting them off. You might well think this is acceptable moral behaviour but most if us do not. Our Queen, calmly doing her duty with all the worry of that and Andrew, at an age when many had been retired 30 years. So if that is others moral compass it certainly isn’t mine.
Kate and William will be excellent in their roles as Princess and Prince of Wales, their duties are many as you will see if you read up on it.

William ,Andrew, Edward and Sophie flew together to Scotland, Harry went later on his own, Harry left on his own at 8.00am the following morning,

William just swallowing his understandable resentment and just doing the right thing. A horrible time for them all.

According to Lady Colin Campbell all is not well behind the scenes and Meghan has pulled some kind of stunt. She wouldn’t say what but that woman (LCC) does come across as slightly unhinged!

The walkabout at Windsor looked somewhat forced. Harry with his hand across his tummy as he walks always looks like he is suffering from indigestion, and Meghan looked awkward and out of her depth. Did Catherine ever say anything to her?

I read that Charles rang William and asked him to hold out the olive branch to H&M.

If it were me, I wouldn't trust H&M an inch unless H cancelled his book deal for a start.

Without Wallis Simpson we wouldn’t have had the Queen

Well, unless Edward V111 had married someone else and gone on to have a family, she would still have ended up as Queen surely? We shall never know how things may have turned out.

The walkabout at Windsor looked somewhat forced. Harry with his hand across his tummy as he walks always looks like he is suffering from indigestion, and Meghan looked awkward and out of her depth. Did Catherine ever say anything to her?

Don’t think so.