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What's the point of a Prince of Wales?

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volver Sun 11-Sept-22 09:42:53

I believe the Prince of Wales is basically the top bod in the hierarchy in Wales and has been an Englishman since the 14th Century. I understand it is an expression of the rule of the English over the Welsh.

I have googled the role of the Prince and Princess of Wales and it appears to be to visit as many places in the country as possible and learn to speak Welsh. Personally I find the conferring of titles such as this on Royals a patronising anachronism, having once had to explain to a French person that the Duke of Edinburgh didn't really run Edinburgh.

What do Welsh people think about the whole thing?

Jaberwok Sun 11-Sept-22 15:18:28

Not sure that charities were actually up and running in the 13th century! Yes Edward was born in Wales deliberately and presented as a Prince who spoke no English. But of course at that point he didn't speak any language at all. He was however an English king , his son becoming P of W in 1343, and so it went on.

JaneJudge Sun 11-Sept-22 15:11:56

The same can be said of Duke/Duchesses of places too. Hardly any of them live where they are DUKE?Duchess of

Callistemon21 Sun 11-Sept-22 15:07:45

I think it would be a good idea to learn the National Anthem at least.

Wh can forget John Redwood with his mouth opening and shutting uselessly? But then, he is a politician

Lexisgranny Sun 11-Sept-22 15:05:07

I have just asked my husband what he thinks about the appointment and he replied that as long as they both visit all parts of Wales, and are visible in the Principality, he is more than happy about it.

Lexisgranny Sun 11-Sept-22 15:01:19

I do not think anyone need concern themselves about the new Prince of Wales speaking Welsh, we live in Wales, my husband is Welsh and I can’t remember the last time I heard Welsh being spoken in the street. According to the Annual Population Survey by Government Wales in December 2021 only 25.9% of people in Wales actually spoke the language.

Callistemon21 Sun 11-Sept-22 15:00:06

born 1284. at Caernarfon Castle
He was Welsh, then.

Farzanah Sun 11-Sept-22 14:59:19

Perhaps Owain Glyndwr will rise once more to defend Wales from the threat of the English Prince.

Callistemon21 Sun 11-Sept-22 14:58:52

He should have started some charities to help the deserving poor then he might not have suffered such a grisly end.

Jaberwok Sun 11-Sept-22 14:56:55

The first English P.of W was Edward of Caernarfon, fourth and eldest surviving son of Edward 1st, born 1284. at Caernarfon Castle. He later reigned as Edward 11nd and was murdered in Berkeley Castle in Gloucestershire in 1327.

Callistemon21 Sun 11-Sept-22 14:56:48

sawing off road signposts

It's much more fun to turn them round so that tourists go round in circles or end up down a dead end.

I sometimes wonder if our satnav person is a nationalist too, although I don't think she's decided of which country.

Anniebach Sun 11-Sept-22 14:42:37

Will we have a repeat of attempts to blow up reservoirs supplying water to England, setting fire to holiday homes owned by the English , sawing off road signposts, whilst all around Wales there were street parties and carnivals.

Callistemon21 Sun 11-Sept-22 12:08:07

Persecuted

Callistemon21 Sun 11-Sept-22 12:07:56

Pantglas2

I’m not surprised your french friend was confused volver they got rid of their royals a long time ago and don’t understand why we haven’t done the same!

Here in Spain they’re a lot more understanding of the concept of non political figureheads having reinstated theirs almost half a century ago after turbulent times.

Oh, the French!
That lot my ersecuted ancestors had to flee to sanctuary in England.

Thank you, England.

volver Sun 11-Sept-22 11:45:41

Pantglas2

I’m not surprised your french friend was confused volver they got rid of their royals a long time ago and don’t understand why we haven’t done the same!

Here in Spain they’re a lot more understanding of the concept of non political figureheads having reinstated theirs almost half a century ago after turbulent times.

That was Franco's doing, wasn't it?

Pantglas2 Sun 11-Sept-22 11:35:57

I’m not surprised your french friend was confused volver they got rid of their royals a long time ago and don’t understand why we haven’t done the same!

Here in Spain they’re a lot more understanding of the concept of non political figureheads having reinstated theirs almost half a century ago after turbulent times.

Grandma70s Sun 11-Sept-22 11:29:27

I don’t care what they are called. To me it’s all theatre, enjoyable theatre but not really serious.

I count myself as a royalist.

volver Sun 11-Sept-22 11:26:13

Aveline

Nobody asked us about the Duke of Edinburgh. Didn't make any difference to us. Not bothered.

It made a difference to my very confused French friend and to the way we are viewed in the world.

Plus, we weren't being reminded about the way the English conquered us six hundred years ago, unlike the Welsh.

There are 24(?) hereditary dukedoms and goodness knows how many the Royal Family invent to give themselves fancy titles. Duke of Sussex? Duke of Wessex? ? But being Prince of Wales is a real thing, not invented for status, and it seems to me that it is being imposed on the Welsh.

(I think William is now also Lord of the Isles. Dearie me.)

Happysexagenarian Sun 11-Sept-22 11:26:06

In my experience the Welsh people are nothing if not friendly and hospitable, and I'm sure William and Kate will be warmly welcomed whenever they're in Wales and whatever they're doing.

Charles (the King - still can't get used to saying that) may have felt that conferring the title on William was something he could deal with easily and quickly amidst all the other demanding duties suddenly raining down on him. How he has coped with the schedules of the past few days I can't imagine.

Zonne Sun 11-Sept-22 11:21:30

Callistemon21

Perhaps it was announced so quickly (and it did surprise me too) to ensure a smooth transition with the charities founded by the previous Prince of Wales which help people both here and overseas, in particular The Prince's Trust.

Do we know if this will be the case? I don’t think it’s necessarily so, as William and Kate have different interests, and support different charities and causes. Presumably, if Charles wanted to, he could remain patron of his preferred charities anyway.

Aveline Sun 11-Sept-22 11:19:58

Nobody asked us about the Duke of Edinburgh. Didn't make any difference to us. Not bothered.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 11-Sept-22 11:15:18

The way I see it is that there are two camps,
Republicans and Royalists, and if GN threads are anything to go by never the twain shall meet

I am a Royalist ?

nadateturbe Sun 11-Sept-22 11:12:50

It's all a nonsense.

NotSpaghetti Sun 11-Sept-22 11:11:58

I think a discussion with WALES does need to happen as so many think - and the whole monarchy thing too..

And I do realise he's not a true Welsh speaker. But like your family, my father was also impressed with the pronunciation Zonne.
I think as it's "only" a title it doesn't mean a lot to me tbh apart from the association with my father.
I'd feel differently if it came with power.

Callistemon21 Sun 11-Sept-22 11:08:14

Perhaps it was announced so quickly (and it did surprise me too) to ensure a smooth transition with the charities founded by the previous Prince of Wales which help people both here and overseas, in particular The Prince's Trust.

Callistemon21 Sun 11-Sept-22 11:04:44

Pantglas2

I’ll take William over Drakeford (or any politician) all day long!

We’re really discussing figureheads aren’t we? Until republicans are in the majority I’m happy to stick with the Wales/Cornwall/Cambridges

It's a different role and I hope the new Prince of Wales will carry on supporting the charities his father started which have helped so many young and disadvantaged people gain a better start in life in Wales and the rest of the UK.