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What's the point of a Prince of Wales?

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volver Sun 11-Sept-22 09:42:53

I believe the Prince of Wales is basically the top bod in the hierarchy in Wales and has been an Englishman since the 14th Century. I understand it is an expression of the rule of the English over the Welsh.

I have googled the role of the Prince and Princess of Wales and it appears to be to visit as many places in the country as possible and learn to speak Welsh. Personally I find the conferring of titles such as this on Royals a patronising anachronism, having once had to explain to a French person that the Duke of Edinburgh didn't really run Edinburgh.

What do Welsh people think about the whole thing?

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 16-Sept-22 15:44:26

I am not part of any campaign. But I am getting rather fed up with your rudeness to all and sundry volver.

volver Fri 16-Sept-22 15:39:44

How rude.

Please somebody, stick up for me.?

I sense a campaign.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 16-Sept-22 15:38:11

Really volver, I didn’t think it possible but you are getting worse.

volver Fri 16-Sept-22 15:23:49

not everything is about you.

Even the posts that talk about what I might be thinking and use my name?

Gosh, this is complicated...

volver Fri 16-Sept-22 15:22:38

I will not apologise GSM as you were "talking" about me to others and making assumptions about what I thought and what I had done. You actually used my name.

Its just rude. Perhaps you might apologise for that?

I'll not hold my breath either.

Callistemon21 Fri 16-Sept-22 15:18:46

Is this Pendants' Corner or have I lost my way?

The question is was it a general, rhetorical question to all or was it direct address?

Mollygo Fri 16-Sept-22 15:17:11

Good example of mochyn daear Volver. ?

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 16-Sept-22 15:08:32

Not holding my breath btw.

tickingbird Fri 16-Sept-22 15:02:09

Crossed posts GSM

tickingbird Fri 16-Sept-22 15:01:50

Nothing to understand Volver. You’re wrong again.

GSM was talking to the participants on this thread, not directly to you! I know it’s difficult for you but, truly, not everything is about you.

Anniebach Fri 16-Sept-22 15:01:21

Yes tickingbird it’s so obvious

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 16-Sept-22 15:01:21

But I wasn’t addressing you volver. I wasn’t addressing anyone in particular. Look at the post again and perhaps apologise.

MaizieD Fri 16-Sept-22 15:01:12

To make the eldest son of the monarch Prince of Wales started as an insult to the Welsh, a constant reminder that the Welsh are a conquered nation.

Genuine question.

Is that an accurate and verified historical fact? The 'insult', I mean.

tickingbird Fri 16-Sept-22 14:58:22

Anniebach. . Rather obvious that this thread is on the hit list of threads to
be deleted,

You’re probably correct there Annie. Has anyone noticed the common denominator where deleted threads are concerned?

Anniebach Fri 16-Sept-22 14:57:15

Yes Brenda, another one

volver Fri 16-Sept-22 14:54:30

Oh good grief...

In the final paragraph you speak about me as if I am not there and you use the third person to do so. Its rude and (word of the week) disrespectful.

Perhaps volver might change her views after hearing so much Welsh spoken, including by the King, on his visit to Wales today. Though she probably didn’t watch it.

I'll rewrite it for you.

Perhaps volver you might change your views after hearing so much Welsh spoken, including by the King, on his visit to Wales today. Though I doubt you watched it.

Do we understand now?

Callistemon21 Fri 16-Sept-22 14:52:26

Oh, not another one!

#Brenda

Anniebach Fri 16-Sept-22 14:51:19

Rather obvious that this thread is on the hit list of threads to
be deleted,

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 16-Sept-22 14:50:45

Oh I see, I should have said volver twice. Why is it patronising to use your username in one sentence and your pronoun in the next? Are you finally losing it?

volver Fri 16-Sept-22 14:41:43

You could have addressed me directly, as you are doing now. That would have been less patronising, instead of using the third person.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 16-Sept-22 14:36:47

It’s a tad repetitive to say ‘the child’ twice in quick succession don’t you think volver? Pronouns are handy things.

I’ve known about the cat’s mother since I was a small child, no explanation required.

volver Fri 16-Sept-22 14:28:17

I thought I was being funny. Guess not. ?

english.stackexchange.com/questions/403263/whos-she-the-cats-mother

Elegran Fri 16-Sept-22 14:26:06

volver

Germanshepherdsmum

The child of friends of ours living in North Wales speaks Welsh as a first language, unlike her parents. That’s the way she’s taught in school.

Perhaps volver might change her views after hearing so much Welsh spoken, including by the King, on his visit to Wales today. Though she probably didn’t watch it.

Who's "she"?

The badger's mother?

"She" usually refers back, grammatically, to a female mentioned previously. I think that was you, Volver. It is not likely that the child of GSM's friends will change her views on the welsh language.

Thegrandmarniter Fri 16-Sept-22 14:17:44

I don’t hate the English, I married one of them. I don’t hate anybody. The events of the past are just that, in the past. I’m not anti royal either, I like William and Catherine, but I really don’t want an English Prince to be called Prince of Wales. He’s prince of England, or Prince of the United Kingdom. Wales, Scotland and N Ireland do not have their own monarchies, we all share the Windsors. To make the eldest son of the monarch Prince of Wales started as an insult to the Welsh, a constant reminder that the Welsh are a conquered nation. I’m certain that is no longer the case, KC made that obvious on his walkabout today, there was genuine affection shown, and he addressed the Sennedd in Welsh too which was a lovely mark of respect. So why continue so a totally unnecessary put down to Wales by continuing that tradition. It rankles.

icanhandthemback Fri 16-Sept-22 13:48:56

Good post, tickingbird on Fri 16-Sep-22 10:10:30. I have never thought ill of anybody from the other nations making up the UK and I just find it really difficult to understand the depth of dislike from some people based on a history we had no control of.