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What's the point of a Prince of Wales?

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volver Sun 11-Sept-22 09:42:53

I believe the Prince of Wales is basically the top bod in the hierarchy in Wales and has been an Englishman since the 14th Century. I understand it is an expression of the rule of the English over the Welsh.

I have googled the role of the Prince and Princess of Wales and it appears to be to visit as many places in the country as possible and learn to speak Welsh. Personally I find the conferring of titles such as this on Royals a patronising anachronism, having once had to explain to a French person that the Duke of Edinburgh didn't really run Edinburgh.

What do Welsh people think about the whole thing?

Callistemon21 Fri 16-Sept-22 13:45:50

JaneJudge

maybe the badgers speak Welsh

I'll ask the one that trots across our road sometimes ? ?

Joseanne Fri 16-Sept-22 13:45:16

My mother spoke only Welsh until she was 9 when she went away to boarding school in Surrey. By the time she was 10 she had been sent back home to Aberaeron because she refused to understand the teachers!

Callistemon21 Fri 16-Sept-22 13:43:42

Germanshepherdsmum

The child of friends of ours living in North Wales speaks Welsh as a first language, unlike her parents. That’s the way she’s taught in school.

Perhaps volver might change her views after hearing so much Welsh spoken, including by the King, on his visit to Wales today. Though she probably didn’t watch it.

There are several Welsh medium and bilingual schools in Wales. Some of the DGD's friends attend them.
Welsh started being taught again in schools about 30 years ago.

volver Fri 16-Sept-22 13:41:48

Germanshepherdsmum

The child of friends of ours living in North Wales speaks Welsh as a first language, unlike her parents. That’s the way she’s taught in school.

Perhaps volver might change her views after hearing so much Welsh spoken, including by the King, on his visit to Wales today. Though she probably didn’t watch it.

Who's "she"?

The badger's mother?

Joseanne Fri 16-Sept-22 13:40:02

The Queen doesn't look too impressed with badgers. Keeping her distance.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 16-Sept-22 13:39:16

The child of friends of ours living in North Wales speaks Welsh as a first language, unlike her parents. That’s the way she’s taught in school.

Perhaps volver might change her views after hearing so much Welsh spoken, including by the King, on his visit to Wales today. Though she probably didn’t watch it.

JaneJudge Fri 16-Sept-22 13:37:39

maybe the badgers speak Welsh

Callistemon21 Fri 16-Sept-22 13:33:45

Germanshepherdsmum

volver
The Welsh language isn’t ignored, volver. If you’ve been to Wales in recent years you will see that the Welsh language is used above English on road signs, police cars etc.
Who in England regards the Welsh as serfs?

The Welsh language is definitely not ignored. In most places, in communications, Welsh is first, English second.

It's compulsory up to GCSE level too.

volver Fri 16-Sept-22 13:22:28

What is the story with the recurring badger?

Mollygo Fri 16-Sept-22 13:21:17

volver

Please don't be so insulting. I'm sure the Queen wouldn't have liked it.

????

Farzanah Fri 16-Sept-22 12:51:31

Chestnut and how many of them are actually Welsh? You could say that about anyone in Wales, Scotland or N Ireland. I for example have one Welsh and one Scottish parent. The UK has been a cultural and ethnic melting pot for centuries.

However since Charles was invested as PoW there have been major changes in Wales. Many more young ones now speak Welsh, it is more widely used and more schools teach lessons in Welsh. The Senedd Cymru has been established, and there is an increasing sense of identity in Wales as a country in its own right.

The Royal Family is popular in Wales as polls show, but surely it was disrespectful and bad judgement at the least, which may rebound in the future, to appoint a new Prince of Wales without prior consultation.

Joseanne Fri 16-Sept-22 11:54:09

Oops sorry, Federer photo should have been on the King Charles thread, not here PoW.
Actually I doubt if he has ever played a tennis tournament in Wales? ?

Still, a bit of light relief from the ding dong volleys.

fairfraise Fri 16-Sept-22 11:46:22

Camilla looks as if she's enjoying the music in Llandaff.

Joseanne Fri 16-Sept-22 11:41:32

I know I've been over in France a long while now, but am I missing something?
A change of king? What happened to Charles?
Only in a French newspaper. grin
(Hope photo is clear enough.)

Anniebach Fri 16-Sept-22 11:16:43

Agree Pantglas

volver Fri 16-Sept-22 11:01:32

Please don't be so insulting. I'm sure the Queen wouldn't have liked it.

Pantglas2 Fri 16-Sept-22 11:00:04

I’d rather be hoist by my own petard than projecting my inferiority complex on an another Celtic nation, suggesting they’re serfs, feudal lackeys whatever....

We’re in the 21st century and I’ve never felt inferior (or superior) to another nationality or needed to either.

You’re anti the Royals - we get it. But some of us aren’t and that’s also fine.

volver Fri 16-Sept-22 10:44:30

Is that you Elsa?

Bzzz Bzzz...?

Mollygo Fri 16-Sept-22 10:42:53

tickingbird

^Methinks you doth protest too much.^

I’m not the one protesting!

No tickingbird you’re not, but Methinks you doth protest too much. is the latest put down from QB. Let it go?.

volver Fri 16-Sept-22 10:38:56

Pantglas2

No one expects them “all to be happy with it” volver

According to Lexi’s figures there are 25,000 people not - let’s double that for the can’t-be-arsed-to-vote lot and it’s a positively heartbreaking less than 2%!

It’s going to take more than our lifetimes isn’t it?

And yet the 3% of people who turned out in Scotland, many of whom were visitors, mean that Scotland loved the Queen?

Since we're in Shakespeare mode, you're hoist on your own petard.

Chestnut Fri 16-Sept-22 10:35:05

Lexisgranny

Coincidently I have just been reading that the petition is c25,000. I then looked up the population of Wales - 3.19 million according to ONS in 2022.

And how many of them are actually Welsh? Just because someone lives in Wales doesn't make them Welsh. And what about all the Welsh who live outside of Wales? Just wondering who gets to decide whether there should be a Prince of Wales.

Pantglas2 Fri 16-Sept-22 10:20:08

No one expects them “all to be happy with it” volver

According to Lexi’s figures there are 25,000 people not - let’s double that for the can’t-be-arsed-to-vote lot and it’s a positively heartbreaking less than 2%!

It’s going to take more than our lifetimes isn’t it?

tickingbird Fri 16-Sept-22 10:16:44

Methinks you doth protest too much.

I’m not the one protesting!

volver Fri 16-Sept-22 10:13:37

Are you mixing up Wales and Scotland?

Who mentioned independence?

Methinks you doth protest too much.

tickingbird Fri 16-Sept-22 10:10:30

Nobody regards anyone as serfs. It’s age old grievances being carried onto present day.

As a Jew I could hate Germany and Germans - I don’t. What occurred in The Holocaust is far, far more recent than anything the English did to Scotland, Wales or Ireland. There are people alive today that lived through the horrors of The Holocaust and lost loved ones in terrible circumstances. I wasn’t brought up to hate Germans or Germany and neither were my parents.

The thread running through any discussion on independence is hatred of the English, accompanied by disdain of any countryman/woman not toeing the line. Talk of ‘butcher’s aprons’ a prime example. Anything the English did was a very long time ago. As for feudalism?! Get over it!