What's the point of a Prince of Wales?

I've never been to Wales, that's why I asked what the Welsh think of being given a PoW.

Just call me old fashioned, but "giving" the Welsh a Prince and expecting them all to be happy about it, smacks of feudalism.

volver
The Welsh language isn’t ignored, volver. If you’ve been to Wales in recent years you will see that the Welsh language is used above English on road signs, police cars etc.
Who in England regards the Welsh as serfs?

MaizieD an English Prince of Wales ? It’s deeper than
Llewelyn ap Gruffudd and Owain Glyndwr.

It’s the English coal mine owners, Iron Masters, Slate Quarries.
Flooding of Welsh valleys to supply water to England.

It has always been anti English. Even the Six Nations Rugby,
come Wales v England match it’s referred to by the commentators as - the old enemies

Agreed MaizieD.

Even Dafydd Iwan (of Carlo/Yma o Hyd renown) reckoned that Charles was well intentioned as PoW when he was invited to tea with him at Llwyn-y-Wermod.

I have no issues with William and Katherine representing Wales (regardless of learning Welsh) they’ve already spent more time in North Wales than any political leaders in Cardiff!

Some people don't like being regarded as serfs and having their own language ignored.

MaizieD I started this thread because in my view, Wales is being given a Prince with a historical role. Its not the same as (for example) making someone Earl of Inverness. But even that is being questioned now.

Some people just love to have a grievance.

Setting aside the wider, and more important, question of whether or not the monarchy should even exist, I do find it somewhat disappointing that one of the objections to the Prince of Wales is based on a grievance hundreds of years old.

I know that Wales has been very badly treated by England over the years; as was Ireland, but surely at some time we have to acknowledge the past, apologise or forgive (as applicable), and let it go?

Coincidently I have just been reading that the petition is c25,000. I then looked up the population of Wales - 3.19 million according to ONS in 2022.

True tickingbird. If William made a speech in Welsh the majority wouldn’t understand him. The majority of those who
could live in North Wales.

Eloethan

Regarding the Prince of Wales not speaking the language - the majority of the Welsh don’t speak it either!

There is a petition for the Prince of Wales title to be dropped. It seems that a significant number of Welsh people object to an English person being foisted on them - someone who really has no meaningful connection with Wales and who doesn't speak the language. The title is seen by some as a symbol of the previous oppression of Welsh people, who at one time were forbidden to speak their own language.
Having read the petition and the history of how the Welsh prince and his family were done away with, and replaced by an English man, I can understand their position.

Mollygo "I think" means the same as "in my opinion" so you are mistaken in saying some people would take issue with it. -

I think the death of Diana at a young age, and the traumatic manner of her death - along with the fact that she had children and her marriage had been a sham, was bound to elicit more emotional responses. The queen was 96 years old and had enjoyed a very comfortable life so, whilst many people respect that and feel a certain sense of loss, her death was expected.

That's just what I was going to say vegansrock ?

Meow?

volver

You obviously haven't learnt how to use quotation marks.

You obviously haven’t used them often enough for me to pick up your expertise in that Volver dear. I’ve been too busy learning how to be juvenile like you. It’s been much more difficult for me than it obviously was for you.

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Well Mollygo I’m in good company if you’re juvenile. I was told to grow up.

Interesting thread. Thought provoking I you are Welsh.

You obviously haven't learnt how to use quotation marks.

Please don't try to pretend you're not allowed to think what you like MollyGo, while trying to mock me as you go; it really is dreadfully juvenile and transparent.
I didn’t know I was doing that but if that’s how you see it, I’ve obviously learnt a lot from your expertise in doing exactly that Volver.

Mollygo

grannyrebel7

I'm Welsh and I love having a Prince and Princess of Wales. I can't see a problem with it. In fact I think it's an honour that the Scottish and Irish don't have. I don't mind that they're both English.

GR7, You should have said that in your opinion it’s a honour. You aren’t allowed think things like that on GN. I was going to say you’ll be jumped on for saying it, but you already have been.
You are much safer saying you don’t think it’s an honour.

What it comes down to for me is this; if someone on a discussion forum says something is an honour, they should be expecting someone to ask them why its a honour.

A person can think anything they like, but they should expect to be asked to enter into discussion about it on a discussion forum. Of course, if they don't want to discuss it, they are under no obligation to answer any questions about it at all. So to summarise for the hard of thinking, anyone can say what they like.

However I do find it infantile that people try to pretend that asking someone a straightforward question is jumping on them. Maybe its me, but I don't just act on my feelings and on sentiment, I try to understand why people think a certain way.

Please don't try to pretend you're not allowed to think what you like MollyGo, while trying to mock me as you go; it really is dreadfully juvenile and transparent.

True Mollygo

Mollygo - so true ?

grannyrebel7

I'm Welsh and I love having a Prince and Princess of Wales. I can't see a problem with it. In fact I think it's an honour that the Scottish and Irish don't have. I don't mind that they're both English.

GR7, You should have said that in your opinion it’s a honour. You aren’t allowed think things like that on GN. I was going to say you’ll be jumped on for saying it, but you already have been.
You are much safer saying you don’t think it’s an honour.

I dislike the clapping but there certainly was no hysteria today.

The hysteria for Diana was really awful, and as for -
‘Your country needs you’ to the Queen , what for ?

Aveline

I disagree. No 'mass hysteria' in the crowds I joined in Edinburgh. Just quiet respect. The atmosphere was very pleasant and certainly not hysterical. Quite solemn and striking as the hearse passed by.

I haven't seen any hysterical sobbing or mawkish behaviour as there was when Diana died.
Those poor boys, having to comfort people who never knew their mother.