What's the point of a Prince of Wales?

But that’s the beauty of difference of opinion volver - no need for puzzlement!

The Spanish chose to reinstate their Royal family and most I speak to are ambivalent about the amount of relevance they have in the minutiae of their everyday lives.

On the basis of this alone...

twitter.com/welshfootball_/status/1569235564695793664

Thegrandmarniter

Michael Sheen should be Prince of Wales.

Oh please no!
I don't mind him but ....

Esmay

In which case , you perhaps made an unfortunate choice of title .

I chose the title to encourage discussion.

Think that worked.

In which case , you perhaps made an unfortunate choice of title .

Michael Sheen should be Prince of Wales.

Esmay

At the moment , I think that any discussion about the relevance of the Royal Family is disrespectful .

It was not about the relevance of the royal family.

But if it had been, I would still defend it.

At the moment , I think that any discussion about the relevance of the Royal Family is disrespectful .

It was only partly rhetorical Casdon because some people keep saying what a good Prince of Wales William will be, and others are saying its just a title and doesn't matter. So it is a puzzle to me.

I really was interested in the replies but obviously asking any question at all about the RF at the moment is anathema.

People aren’t answering the question you posed volver because it’s a rhetorical question, isn’t it? It depends entirely on your personal viewpoint as to whether you see any value in the position, which depends on whether you value the role of the monarchy or not. The original purpose was to sweeten the pill of the English crown taking over Wales, 700+ years ago by giving Wales the status of having its own Prince. Memories aren’t 700+ years long, and although we have retained our own cultures and traditions, the original rationale for the post of Prince of Wales is no longer of interest to the majority, we are where we are. The purpose of the role going forward will be what William makes it, and that is what matters, whether ultimately Wales becomes an independent country or not will not necessarily affect the role of Prince of Wales either.
I personally think that the opportunity is there for him.

Mollygo

We aren’t elevating anybody. I have nothing to do with it and their position existed before I was born.
Elevating footballers, film stars, ‘celebrities’ who appear out of nowhere and get paid immense sums which directly affect me (cost of attending football matches with DGS, or paying vastly inflated prices to take family to the cinema, or seeing my licence fee going to fund ‘celebrities) worries me far more.

I don’t get the ‘rule over us all’ phrase, Normandy Girl. Exactly how does the RF rule over us all? Do explain that please.
Now if you’re talking about Vladimir Putin ruling over Russia or even our “wonderful government” ruling over us, that would make more sense.

Where to begin......
The government itself is appointed by the monarch and can only exists by royal appointment. All Mp's must swear allegiance to the King or Queen.
The monarch still retains the power to dissolve parliament and any decisions made by parliament require the assent of the sovereign.
The sovereign remains constitutionally empowered to exercise the royal prerogative against the advice of the prime minister and cabinet.
The monarch is the Supreme Governor of the Church of England
The national anthem itself proclaims that the sovereign
" reigns over us" which means that he or she exercises authority over others.
Do you not believe the words you sing?

I agree Casdon that Mark Drakeford has probably got it right, but I wasn’t making a sweeping statement about what the people of Wales want. How could I know without a referendum? I maintain that Wales needs a Prince as much as the Scots and Irish do.

What is the point of the Prince of Wales?

What is the point of A Prince of Wales? is what I asked.

I asked the question and some have taken the time to engage in conversation about it. Some have become inexplicably irritated.

I have a choice about going to see the RF just as much as going to see a football match. Are the we that you mention not permitted to allow this to happen?
Who is going to make the new rules that do not “allow” this?
Will the rules be unanimous from both sides of the discussion or will only the new conditions that you approve of be used?
What is the point of the Prince of Wales?
If the Welsh (of which I have a sizeable heritage, though not so great as my Scottish heritage) are, or aren’t happy about it, then they are entitled to make their feelings known, as some already have.

Elevating. My understanding of it is as accurate as yours Volver.

Thegrandmarniter

Can you imagine the uproar if King Charles had announced, without discussion or debate, that his brother Prince Andrew was to be made prince of N Ireland and his brother Prince Edward was to be prince of Scotland? Set aside the idea of which brother or whether maybe it would be Prince George, or Princess Charlotte or Prince Louis. The implication would be that these places were Principalities, subject to English rule, rather than countries in their own right, all part of a United Kingdom. I like Prince William, and Catherine too but they don’t have to be demi monarchs of Wales. Wales is a country, not a principality. We in Wales have no more need of a Prince than the Scots or the Irish. Its time the empty title was dropped.

That scenario would be completely different though Thegrandmarniter because those titles don’t exist. There’s been a Prince of Wales since 1301. You can’t make sweeping statements about what the people of Wales want - you’re one of them, so am I, but we are individuals not mouthpieces of the nation. I think Mark Drakeford is playing it right.

Can you imagine the uproar if King Charles had announced, without discussion or debate, that his brother Prince Andrew was to be made prince of N Ireland and his brother Prince Edward was to be prince of Scotland? Set aside the idea of which brother or whether maybe it would be Prince George, or Princess Charlotte or Prince Louis. The implication would be that these places were Principalities, subject to English rule, rather than countries in their own right, all part of a United Kingdom. I like Prince William, and Catherine too but they don’t have to be demi monarchs of Wales. Wales is a country, not a principality. We in Wales have no more need of a Prince than the Scots or the Irish. Its time the empty title was dropped.

I'm sorry Esmay but it is an entirely relevant comment.

I have been scrupulously careful not to disrespect the late Queen in any way. Because that would be inappropriate and uncalled for. However it is entirely relevant to ask how a role is meant to be filled.

And please note I asked What it the point of a Prince of Wales, not What is the point of the Prince of Wales. That's a completely different question which I did not ask.

Callistemon -
What's the point of the Prince of Wales ?

To answer volver’s original question, here is what Mark Drakeford had to say.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-62875386
Mark Drakeford is a known republican, but he’s also wise enough not to think he can personally influence the public - it’s very much a case of what will be will be - it will be down to William I suspect, and if he lives up to his promise to spend time here and support Welsh causes he is likely to be welcomed. Speaking Welsh already is a definite plus, I think all Welsh people still remember John Redwood when he was Secretary of State for Wales pretending to sing the national anthem!

They did not.

volver

I believe the Prince of Wales is basically the top bod in the hierarchy in Wales and has been an Englishman since the 14th Century. I understand it is an expression of the rule of the English over the Welsh.

I have googled the role of the Prince and Princess of Wales and it appears to be to visit as many places in the country as possible and learn to speak Welsh. Personally I find the conferring of titles such as this on Royals a patronising anachronism, having once had to explain to a French person that the Duke of Edinburgh didn't really run Edinburgh.

What do Welsh people think about the whole thing?

As for the Duke of Edinburgh, the late Queen was actually the Duchess of Edinburgh before she took the throne and they did live up there for some time.

What an inappropriate comment at this sad time .

Which one, Esmay?

What an inappropriate comment at this sad time .

I'm half Welsh .

I happen to have been brought up in England .

My cousins are all Welsh speaking and totally pro Royal family .

Supporters of the RF often seem to regard republicans as churlish money-obsessed oafs
Perhaps because that is how they often appear to present themselves. Not everyone is as reasoned and reasonable as you, volver