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lemsip Sat 17-Sept-22 18:27:03

The Welsh dragon does not appear on the Union Flag. This is because when the first Union Flag was created in 1606, the Principality of Wales by that time was already united with England and was no longer a separate principality.
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Wales is not represented in the Royal Standard, as its special position as a Principality was recognised by the creation of the Prince of Wales long before the incorporation of the quarterings for Scotland and Ireland in the Royal Arms.

Thegrandmarniter Sat 17-Sept-22 17:55:21

It is pretty cool.

Callistemon21 Sat 17-Sept-22 17:29:33

I can't claim to be the designer Maggiemaybe

Good, though, isn't it.

Maggiemaybe Sat 17-Sept-22 17:16:00

Now that's a cool flag, Callistemon. Have you applied for copyright, or patent, whichever it is? grin

Thegrandmarniter Sat 17-Sept-22 17:00:35

It’s not automatic. The monarch decides when and if to do it.

Blossoming Sat 17-Sept-22 16:28:29

Wales has not been a principality for about 500 years, as far as I know.

BlueBelle Sat 17-Sept-22 16:22:12

Why do you think it was hastily done Smudgie he only has one eldest son wasnt it automatic ?

Smudgie Sat 17-Sept-22 16:14:03

My ignorance over flags has been revealed. If there is a new Prince of Wales, which there is (and hastily done by King Charles according to some) then of course Wales should be included in the Royal Standard. I'm surprised that it's omission has not caused a bit of an uprising.

Callistemon21 Sat 17-Sept-22 13:49:48

It’s always rankled with me that Wales is not featured in the union flag. I’m not sure how it could be done really but in my opinion the Welsh flag is probably to coolest in the world.

The dragon should be incorporated and not just as an after-thought in the corner.

But some may prefer that it isn't incorporated of course.

Thegrandmarniter Sat 17-Sept-22 13:04:19

Wales is not a principality, it’s a country in its own right and always has been. This fact was recognised in 2011 by the International Organisation for Standardisation. The title Prince of Wales was last held by a Welshman, Owain Glyndwr, but when Edward 1 crushed the last Welsh rebellion against English rule he took the title and gave it to his son in 1301. Since then the monarch’s eldest son has held the title. It is a reminder to the Welsh that they are a conquered nation.

It’s always rankled with me that Wales is not featured in the union flag. I’m not sure how it could be done really but in my opinion the Welsh flag is probably to coolest in the world.

Jane71 Mon 12-Sept-22 17:11:20

Wales is not represented in the Royal Standard, as its special position as a Principality was recognised by the creation of the Prince of Wales long before the incorporation of the quarterings for Scotland and Ireland in the Royal Arms.

I don't understand why Wales is a Principality - is that why there is a Prince of Wales?
Yes I'm not a monarchist by any stretch, but the Queen has been a stable head of state. Mind you, America shouldn't be seen as an exemplar of a President.

ayse Mon 12-Sept-22 15:50:28

I didn’t want to intrude on the Prince of Wales thread so I decided to post here. Isn’t it time that Wales is included in the Royal Standard, to recognise all the countries of the UK. We do need to move with the times, IMO.

Until relatively recently I was quite a republican but Trump has really put me off. I don’t want a figure head that needs to be voted for so current the monarchy has to do, slimmed down.