The Royal Standards

Wales is not represented in the Royal Standard, as its special position as a Principality was recognised by the creation of the Prince of Wales long before the incorporation of the quarterings for Scotland and Ireland in the Royal Arms.

I don't understand why Wales is a Principality - is that why there is a Prince of Wales?
Yes I'm not a monarchist by any stretch, but the Queen has been a stable head of state. Mind you, America shouldn't be seen as an exemplar of a President.

Wales is not a principality, it’s a country in its own right and always has been. This fact was recognised in 2011 by the International Organisation for Standardisation. The title Prince of Wales was last held by a Welshman, Owain Glyndwr, but when Edward 1 crushed the last Welsh rebellion against English rule he took the title and gave it to his son in 1301. Since then the monarch’s eldest son has held the title. It is a reminder to the Welsh that they are a conquered nation.

It’s always rankled with me that Wales is not featured in the union flag. I’m not sure how it could be done really but in my opinion the Welsh flag is probably to coolest in the world.

It’s always rankled with me that Wales is not featured in the union flag. I’m not sure how it could be done really but in my opinion the Welsh flag is probably to coolest in the world.

The dragon should be incorporated and not just as an after-thought in the corner.

But some may prefer that it isn't incorporated of course.

My ignorance over flags has been revealed. If there is a new Prince of Wales, which there is (and hastily done by King Charles according to some) then of course Wales should be included in the Royal Standard. I'm surprised that it's omission has not caused a bit of an uprising.

Why do you think it was hastily done Smudgie he only has one eldest son wasnt it automatic ?

Wales has not been a principality for about 500 years, as far as I know.

It’s not automatic. The monarch decides when and if to do it.

Now that's a cool flag, Callistemon. Have you applied for copyright, or patent, whichever it is?

I can't claim to be the designer Maggiemaybe

Good, though, isn't it.

It is pretty cool.

The Welsh dragon does not appear on the Union Flag. This is because when the first Union Flag was created in 1606, the Principality of Wales by that time was already united with England and was no longer a separate principality.
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Wales is not represented in the Royal Standard, as its special position as a Principality was recognised by the creation of the Prince of Wales long before the incorporation of the quarterings for Scotland and Ireland in the Royal Arms.

Wales is not a principality and never has been.

The renaming of the millennium stadium in Cardiff to the principality stadium in 2016 was due to a deal with the Principality Building Society. It’s a pity really because it leads to confusion. As does the title Prince of Wales. It’s not a role, it’s just a title.

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I didn’t want to intrude on the Prince of Wales thread so I decided to post here. Isn’t it time that Wales is included in the Royal Standard, to recognise all the countries of the UK. We do need to move with the times, IMO.

Until relatively recently I was quite a republican but Trump has really put me off. I don’t want a figure head that needs to be voted for so current the monarchy has to do, slimmed down.

I expect that most people, myself included have never looked closely at the royal standard where it is used, so do doubt very much that anyone is annoyed by it not featuring any Welsh symbol.
There is obviously a good reason for it being as it is.

The anglo-centric BBC always talk about 'the country' when they should in fact say the '4 nations' or 'the countries'... I won't say any more as it will turn into a major rant from me!!

Even BBC Cymru Wales? ?

I think the dragon should be on one of the quarters of the standard, rather than having two lions or two unicorns depending on where it’s flown.

Blossoming, I absolutely agree. What a wonderful gesture it would be if King Charles effected such a change.

Well I thought that myself Bluebelle but just after KC had announced it there was a bit of a backlash in the Welsh press as it was considered thoughtless not to involve the Welsh people in some sort of polite consultation. I too like the flag Callistemon.

I have often wondered why there are two Lions and no Welsh Dragon to represent the four nations. Time for a few changes!

lemsip

The Welsh dragon does not appear on the Union Flag. This is because when the first Union Flag was created in 1606, the Principality of Wales by that time was already united with England and was no longer a separate principality.
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Wales is not represented in the Royal Standard, as its special position as a Principality was recognised by the creation of the Prince of Wales long before the incorporation of the quarterings for Scotland and Ireland in the Royal Arms.

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Grrrrr, Wales is not a principality.

You’re right Kalu, perhaps it’s time for a few changes.

Ok Lemsip, I’ve read the Wales Online article that you quote and I know that Wales is not represented on the union flag or the royal standard because at the creation of those flags Wales was considered part of England and therefore needed no separate representation. That was then. This is now.

What I’m saying is wouldn’t it be good if King Charles acknowledged the fact that modern Wales is not a principality, has never been a principality, (although there were effectively 3 principalities within it) and actually is a recognised country physically connected to England in the same way that Scotland is connected. Scotland was unionised with England politically, Wales was not, it was assimilated. But modern Wales is real, it is not England ......

There is a really good historical explanation on the nation.cymru website.

And I don’t hate the English. I speak English, I lived in England for 30 years, I’m married to an Englishman, I’m not anti English, I’m simply pro-Wales.

Grrrrr, Wales is not a principality

It's a country.
It has been a country since 1536 when it was incorporated into Great Britain.

Before that it was an independent Principality

Anyone want to discuss Monmouthshire?