The Royal Standards

Jaberwok

Well there you go then, all's well, so no need to feel aggrieved, especially If its better than the others.

I'm not aggrieved. Not in the slightest.

I just found a suitable design if anyone wants to action it ?

Well there you go then, all's well, so no need to feel aggrieved, especially If its better than the others.

Grantanow

I think when people spend a lot of time worrying about flags they are missing the bigger picture.

Yes, I must be, I spend all day redesigning flags so that Wales doesn't feel left out

Actually, no need! Wales has its own flag and own anthem and they're much better than the others. ???????
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Grantanow

I think when people spend a lot of time worrying about flags they are missing the bigger picture.

But as we are a blend of countries, missing one out seems rather non inclusive!

I think when people spend a lot of time worrying about flags they are missing the bigger picture.

There was a campaign for independence for Monmouthshire a while ago but it was destined to fail.

Just popping in for a minute to say that Monmouthshire is officially part of Wales since 1972. There was for years some query about it as for a while it was considered part of England by some. But Wiki explains all. On the edge of the Eastern Valley it suddenly changes into lush rolling farmland , quite different to the coal mining valleys.

I think it would be a great idea to add the representative standard for Wales.

I think I agree Jaberwok. So wouldn’t it be wonderful if King Charles decided to acknowledge Wales and change the royal standard to show a Welsh Dragon on one of the quarters.

DaisyAnne, you watching?

Best thing to do is research the history of Wales. Its all there and makes the position of Wales much easier to understand. I suppose Im a monarchist although I've never thought much about it till now, but I am pretty sure that I would rather have the RF than an elected President. The trouble with an elected H of S, you could well get a wolf in sheep's clothing, someone who was blatantly political which ever way round, A good career move, someone in it for the money, a complete disaster. No I'd stay with a system that's been tried and tested and pretty sound and satisfactory.

Wales was considered part of England
I thought part of the Kingdom of Great Britain?

Grrrrr, Wales is not a principality

It's a country.
It has been a country since 1536 when it was incorporated into Great Britain.

Before that it was an independent Principality

Anyone want to discuss Monmouthshire?

And I don’t hate the English. I speak English, I lived in England for 30 years, I’m married to an Englishman, I’m not anti English, I’m simply pro-Wales.

Grrrrr, Wales is not a principality.

You’re right Kalu, perhaps it’s time for a few changes.

Ok Lemsip, I’ve read the Wales Online article that you quote and I know that Wales is not represented on the union flag or the royal standard because at the creation of those flags Wales was considered part of England and therefore needed no separate representation. That was then. This is now.

What I’m saying is wouldn’t it be good if King Charles acknowledged the fact that modern Wales is not a principality, has never been a principality, (although there were effectively 3 principalities within it) and actually is a recognised country physically connected to England in the same way that Scotland is connected. Scotland was unionised with England politically, Wales was not, it was assimilated. But modern Wales is real, it is not England ......

There is a really good historical explanation on the nation.cymru website.

lemsip

The Welsh dragon does not appear on the Union Flag. This is because when the first Union Flag was created in 1606, the Principality of Wales by that time was already united with England and was no longer a separate principality.
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Wales is not represented in the Royal Standard, as its special position as a Principality was recognised by the creation of the Prince of Wales long before the incorporation of the quarterings for Scotland and Ireland in the Royal Arms.

googled.

I have often wondered why there are two Lions and no Welsh Dragon to represent the four nations. Time for a few changes!

Well I thought that myself Bluebelle but just after KC had announced it there was a bit of a backlash in the Welsh press as it was considered thoughtless not to involve the Welsh people in some sort of polite consultation. I too like the flag Callistemon.

Blossoming, I absolutely agree. What a wonderful gesture it would be if King Charles effected such a change.

I think the dragon should be on one of the quarters of the standard, rather than having two lions or two unicorns depending on where it’s flown.

Even BBC Cymru Wales? ?

The anglo-centric BBC always talk about 'the country' when they should in fact say the '4 nations' or 'the countries'... I won't say any more as it will turn into a major rant from me!!

ayse

I didn’t want to intrude on the Prince of Wales thread so I decided to post here. Isn’t it time that Wales is included in the Royal Standard, to recognise all the countries of the UK. We do need to move with the times, IMO.

Until relatively recently I was quite a republican but Trump has really put me off. I don’t want a figure head that needs to be voted for so current the monarchy has to do, slimmed down.

I expect that most people, myself included have never looked closely at the royal standard where it is used, so do doubt very much that anyone is annoyed by it not featuring any Welsh symbol.
There is obviously a good reason for it being as it is.

The renaming of the millennium stadium in Cardiff to the principality stadium in 2016 was due to a deal with the Principality Building Society. It’s a pity really because it leads to confusion. As does the title Prince of Wales. It’s not a role, it’s just a title.

Wales is not a principality and never has been.