So, who votes for a government that improves the lives of Bankers, and ensures the excessive profits of energy companies, but needs all the "levelling up" money to pay for the holes in Brexit?

Or the upper middle class Labour vote.Also a conundrum for all sociologists perhaps. Who say that they love the common man, as long as they don’t have to mix with him.
Seriously though, there are many reasons why people vote in different ways, it is not often the simple caricature portrayed in the media.
I am a Labour voter, but a moderate one, and have been castigated by friends who are either quite far left, or Conservative voting.They are all income wise much the same as me, which is not all that well off, but ok.

JaneJudge

I'm a skilled craftsperson/artist. I wish some money was brought my way. I'm exploited by people

You can only be exploited by people if you allow them to exploit you. Unfortunately the skills you mention don’t tend to be highly rewarded, so it’s a matter of choice isn’t it? Many of us (me included) don’t work at what we enjoy, rather at what best pays the bills.

Are you going to answer my simple question, GSM?

Prentice

Ditto ! I’m a very moderate Labourite yet some of my Tory friends (yes I do have some haha) call me a lefty, including my dear departed late mother, who was VERY right wing, my much more left labour friends think I’m a wet haha. Again I have friends from all income brackets, some much wealthier than I, some struggling, most middling much like myself ?

You know which way I vote and will continue to vote. I trust that answers your question.

Goodness if only we could all be as perfect as GSM, who yet again makes huge assumptions that we all have choices, like herself, to be a highly paid solicitor. I’m so glad I have such a wide range of friendships, some academic, some not, some very talented in other ways, some wealthy, some not. It’s the differences in us all that makes us interesting and no, not everyone has such wide ranging choices as you GAM have assumed. For someone so well educated and well off you do seem to have some very narrow views ?

Sorry GSM, clumsily fingers, did not mean to refer to you as GAM !

Germanshepherdsmum

You know which way I vote and will continue to vote. I trust that answers your question.

It doesn't answer my question, GSM, so I hope this post wasn't addressed to me.

My question can be found towards the bottom of page 4.

You don’t know the half of it Cossy, but carry on assuming. You might believe I had choices - just carry on doing so. Please don’t make assumptions about my friends - you are so wrong.

Germanshepherdsmum

You know which way I vote and will continue to vote. I trust that answers your question.

There should be no judgements made about the way that any of us vote, it is a personal thing.
We can judge governments for their policies of course, and that does go for all political parties.

Maizie how much of a bank’s profit goes into the pocket of the man in the street? According to your philosophy none because you insist that tax doesn’t fund government expenditure. However he might be paying into a pension scheme which invests in bank shares, How much comes out of his pocket? Does he have a mortgage, loan or overdraft (at historically low interest rates)? Maybe he still has a job because his employer has negotiated a loan facility?
Does that answer your question?

I agree Prentice, but few on GN will admit to being Conservative voters.

If anyone votes Conservative next time around, I'll be doing quite a lot of judging.

Judge away. How anyone votes is their concern only. None of your business. Are you trying to control voting as well as posting?

Just wondering what kind of person would vote for a government that has ruined the country. But then I read this thread, and all is revealed.

Germanshepherdsmum

You don’t know the half of it Cossy, but carry on assuming. You might believe I had choices - just carry on doing so. Please don’t make assumptions about my friends - you are so wrong.

Perhaps, my dear, we would both do well to stop making assumptions about each other. I don’t need to “admit” I vote Tory, because I no longer do so. I did in latter days because I was brought up in a very middle class very right wing family and to be perfectly honest I knew nothing about “real life” until later in life I had a complete career change and became a civil servant in a public facing role. I saw an entirely direct side of life and also was a single Mum for 9 years until I met my married my now husband and had 3 more children. My life experiences have made me a far more compassionate and empathic person that I was in my twenties and I’m now forever grateful of the good things and people in my life. I guess we all have a story and can all be judgemental and make assumptions.

I have no idea how many on GN vote Conservative GSM.
I do not and never have.

Yes Cossy, I was a struggling single mother too, choosing between eating and feeding my child. I too remarried but didn’t have the good fortune of having more children, If you choose to believe I am devoid of compassion and empathy, fine. I don’t have to impress you. Those who matter know the truth.

Germanshepherdsmum

Maizie how much of a bank’s profit goes into the pocket of the man in the street? According to your philosophy none because you insist that tax doesn’t fund government expenditure. However he might be paying into a pension scheme which invests in bank shares, How much comes out of his pocket? Does he have a mortgage, loan or overdraft (at historically low interest rates)? Maybe he still has a job because his employer has negotiated a loan facility?
Does that answer your question?

Nope.

I asked where does the money come from that the commercial enterprises pay to the bank by way of interest and bank fees.

Germanshepherdsmum

JaneJudge

I'm a skilled craftsperson/artist. I wish some money was brought my way. I'm exploited by people

You can only be exploited by people if you allow them to exploit you. Unfortunately the skills you mention don’t tend to be highly rewarded, so it’s a matter of choice isn’t it? Many of us (me included) don’t work at what we enjoy, rather at what best pays the bills.

You know I have cared for my daughter since she was born and you know she has a severe disability and you know I have had no family support. Do you get off on this?
I have had no choice
I am highly skilled though. Not many people can do what I do at all and I enjoy my skill, that's life
that's what all the people say

That’s a rather fatuous question isn’t it? Where do you think? From their profits - or perhaps they shouldn’t deal with banks but go to the wall?

volver

Just wondering what kind of person would vote for a government that has ruined the country. But then I read this thread, and all is revealed.

I know it's awful but if I don't turn off the computer my husband may divorce me and things might be even worse

I think the rich are getting richer and the poor, poorer.
I will never vote Conservative, tho I have a great deal of respect for some who got chucked out in the Brexit period, and won't pre-judge until we see how politicians care for - ALL - with a strong moral compass and real integrity. And I seek for people in powerful positions in society - industry, financiers, who also have that strong moral compass, to try and make life better for all.

Prentice

Germanshepherdsmum

You know which way I vote and will continue to vote. I trust that answers your question.

There should be no judgements made about the way that any of us vote, it is a personal thing.
We can judge governments for their policies of course, and that does go for all political parties.

Sorry, I am afraid that when someone makes choices that seriously affect others in a very negative way- not just in their pocket, but their education, their health, their life chances, their choices of eat or heat- then it is no longer ' a personal thing'. Same when someone votes to ruin the very country and plunges it into deep recession.

MaizieD

Germanshepherdsmum

Maizie how much of a bank’s profit goes into the pocket of the man in the street? According to your philosophy none because you insist that tax doesn’t fund government expenditure. However he might be paying into a pension scheme which invests in bank shares, How much comes out of his pocket? Does he have a mortgage, loan or overdraft (at historically low interest rates)? Maybe he still has a job because his employer has negotiated a loan facility?
Does that answer your question?

Nope.

I asked where does the money come from that the commercial enterprises pay to the bank by way of interest and bank fees.

It is indeed an excellent question and I'd love to hear the answer too.