Another Benefit of Brexit?

"These are the people in the so-called "red wall" seats. Many of them saw that voting Labour hadn't done much for them, so they voted for a party which might bring about change."

Labour had not been in power for 9 years by the time of the election so I fail to see how they could have done anything to help them. How could voting for the same party that had been in power for the last 9 years bring about " change"?

Another good reason to change to PR growstuff

It's been estimated that 70% of Labour voters voted to remain, but the headache for Labour is that if you break that down into constituencies about 70% of constituencies voted to leave.

rosie1959

varian

Sadly Grantanow it seems that Labour do not seem to have the guts to rejoin the EU or even the Customs Union and Single Market even though all the evidence points to brexit having been a disaster.

The Labour Party has always been willing to be bullied by the red tops and the minority of their voters who supported this lunacy.

Do you think it was a minority of of their voters who supported Brexit if so why did the Conservatives gain so many seats from traditional Labour regions

The Labour vote in the referendum was split. People living in the cities tended to vote to remain. Generally, they are younger and more diverse and there are more job opportunities. People in the small towns, especially those where industry/manufacturing has declined and who tend to be older, voted to leave. These are the people in the so-called "red wall" seats. Many of them saw that voting Labour hadn't done much for them, so they voted for a party which might bring about change. They were told that EU workers were taking their jobs and undercutting them. I know of one Conservative candidate who actually told voters that voting Conservative would attract funding.

Normandygirl

" I hope Labour will have the guts to rejoin the EU but we shall never get the same terms as before."

I think that is the saddest part of all. The UK's membership deal was one of the best in the EU. A top 5 position with so many opt outs and veto's that other member countries could only dream of. Any rejoin deal would have none of the advantages we have so recklessly thrown away.

I agree. I think the road back to Europe for this country will be a long one and we first need, under a Labour government ( with help from the LibDems and Greens) , to rebuild our relationship with our neighbours and regain the respect and trust that Johnson and now Truss have lost us.

varian

Sadly Grantanow it seems that Labour do not seem to have the guts to rejoin the EU or even the Customs Union and Single Market even though all the evidence points to brexit having been a disaster.

The Labour Party has always been willing to be bullied by the red tops and the minority of their voters who supported this lunacy.

Do you think it was a minority of of their voters who supported Brexit if so why did the Conservatives gain so many seats from traditional Labour regions

" I hope Labour will have the guts to rejoin the EU but we shall never get the same terms as before."

I think that is the saddest part of all. The UK's membership deal was one of the best in the EU. A top 5 position with so many opt outs and veto's that other member countries could only dream of. Any rejoin deal would have none of the advantages we have so recklessly thrown away.

Sadly Grantanow it seems that Labour do not seem to have the guts to rejoin the EU or even the Customs Union and Single Market even though all the evidence points to brexit having been a disaster.

The Labour Party has always been willing to be bullied by the red tops and the minority of their voters who supported this lunacy.

The only advantages of Brexit were (1) from Johnson's angle he got elected but what a disaster for the rest of us and (2) it made me look more carefully at prices in supermarkets though now everyone seems to do that. I hope Labour will have the guts to rejoin the EU but we shall never get the same terms as before.

SeaNain

I'm pro brexit. I voted for it and am happy yo say I did. The EU is faring no better than we are. There was an aging population of drivers in the uk. Covid shutdowns did not help us one little bit and brexit can hardly be blamed for the weather worldwide affecting crops from coffee to potatoes.

OK, let's pretend that the EU "is faring no better", how is that a benefit of brexit? What has brexit brought that makes you happy that you voted for it?

Norah

GrannyGravy13

Some businesses have suffered due to Brexit, but many are flourishing.

policyexchange.org.uk/why-the-centre-for-european-reform-is-wrong-about-brexit/

It's all individual. Matters not how people voted, but what works now.

Happy to know that your economic expertise is good enough to know if a right -wing, Brexit supporting think tank's critique of the CER's analysis is valid, Norah

The UK government’s legislative crackdown on protest in England and Wales was dreamed up by a secretive right-wing think tank that had been funded by US oil giant Exxon Mobil, openDemocracy can reveal.

Policy Exchange explicitly said the government should pass legislation to target Extinction Rebellion (XR) in a 2019 report that got the attention of Tory MPs and peers.

The report called for protest laws to be “urgently reformed in order to strengthen the ability of police to place restrictions on planned protest and deal more effectively with mass law-breaking tactics”.

www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/policing-bill-policy-exchange-exxonmobil-lobbying/

Policy Exchange has been described by The Telegraph as "The largest and most influential right wing think tank"

GrannyGravy13

Some businesses have suffered due to Brexit, but many are flourishing.

policyexchange.org.uk/why-the-centre-for-european-reform-is-wrong-about-brexit/

It's all individual. Matters not how people voted, but what works now.

U.K. growth is way below that of the EU. stop pretending Brexit has been of any benefit (which you can’t name), just saying Europe is just as badly off when it isn’t, is no justification for the economic damage Brexit has done.

Benefit of Brexit is .... can't think of any but there must be some. Surely? Perhaps for other countries who might get better trade deals. In which case it is very altruistic of the UK.

Immigration now being eased. Migrants being encouraged to come here to work.

We’ve gone full circle??. So a real Brexit bonus!

But we are still without the right to travel freely to EU to work?

The cost of brexit to the UK economy so far is estimated at 4% of GDP.

All the evidence available shows that the EU has recovered so much better from Covid than the UK.

The UK economy has fallen far behind the EU since Brexit

Britain’s GDP per head has grown just 3.8 per cent since the referendum, while the EU’s has grown by 8.5 per cent.

Oh dear.

You can't make statements like this without any evidence. How is the EU not faring any better than UK, How? Figures please.

Nevder mind the weather- who is picking the crops in the UK.

I'm pro brexit. I voted for it and am happy yo say I did. The EU is faring no better than we are. There was an aging population of drivers in the uk. Covid shutdowns did not help us one little bit and brexit can hardly be blamed for the weather worldwide affecting crops from coffee to potatoes.

There's none so blind as those who will not see.

They can only live in a little "I'm all right" bubble for so long.

Urmstongran

From personal experience only, I can’t think of anything deleterious offhand that has affected me (or my family for that matter) post Brexit. Am I living in a parallel universe?

How can you say that nothing "deleterious" has affected you from brexit?
On another thread you state that you spend half the year in Spain so how has the new 90day rule not affected you?

Grantanow

Brexiteers are faith based. It's a cult. No amount of fact-based, rational argument can change faith. I've given up arguing with Brexet believers.

Just like the Trump cult

I wonder how many are making a killing betting against the Pound at the moment? Very lucrative, and straight out of Rees-Mogg senior's handbook of disaster politics. A handful make tons and tons of money, as the rest get poorer and poorer.

Brexiteers are faith based. It's a cult. No amount of fact-based, rational argument can change faith. I've given up arguing with Brexet believers.