Another Benefit of Brexit?

I think Johnson was rather depending on his friend Trump still being in the White House. Didn’t bank in a president who would be sympathetic towards Ireland. Obama warned us but, hey, what right had a furriner got to tell us who we could and couldn’t trade with…

MaizieD

Katie59

The Withdrawl agreement was written by the EU they gave away nothing, after the election slogan “get Brexit done” he and no option but to sign what was offered, having been assured he could change it.
He then spent the next year trying to wriggle out of what he signed and got absolutely nowhere.

Interesting interpretation, Katie59

From the beginning I did not see why the EU would change its rules to suit us, if it gave us a “special deal” all the other members would have said “we” are a special case too and the EU would have collapsed.

The stakes were that high. Now the much vaunted special relationship with the US has turned into a special relationship with the EU and we are out in the cold.

David Davis was a trusted adviser to Theresa May and persuaded her to ignore the chancellors opinion, that didn’t go well either.
He was the main promoter of “cherry picking” Brexit and the EU would give us a special deal, he was wrong. He is the kind of appealing man that you would be happy to shake hands with but count your fingers afterwards.

growstuff

ronib

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I am afraid I gave up at that point.

He’s a weird one, David Davis. Sometimes he comes across as a complete ( please add your own expletive) and yet at other times ( eg telling Johnson to go) he’s quite sensible. A bit of a loose cannon in many ways.

The only qualification current Tory ministers have to have is that they are as thick as mince as well as supporting Brexit, of course. A quality which David Davis ( him of the Brexit negotiations) admitted to. No wonder we are in the doodoo. Quite literally in many places.

ronib

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Fleurpepper

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Interestingly, I was reading today, that the Tories will never be able to shake off the image of themselves as the Brexit party, and as the situation gets worse in the U.K. the Tory party will go down with it.

Heseltine in the Lords today said it so perfectly and with such humour and irony.

Oh wish I’d heard🙂

Here it is. A bit embarrassing for the old chap asleep next to him, but

www.facebook.com/groups/164264540717524/permalink/1566625310481433/

To Growstuff the quote didn’t work re role of Civil Service

I copied this statement from the Civil Service website.

Katie59

The Withdrawl agreement was written by the EU they gave away nothing, after the election slogan “get Brexit done” he and no option but to sign what was offered, having been assured he could change it.
He then spent the next year trying to wriggle out of what he signed and got absolutely nowhere.

Interesting interpretation, Katie59

The Withdrawl agreement was written by the EU they gave away nothing, after the election slogan “get Brexit done” he and no option but to sign what was offered, having been assured he could change it.
He then spent the next year trying to wriggle out of what he signed and got absolutely nowhere.

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At director/permanent secretary level?

‘Or did the Civil Service advise to deaf ears?’

ronib if you indeed have civil servants in your family you would for sure know that it is a regular occurrence for civil servants’ advice to be ignored by ministers.

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MaizieD

Johnson and Frost aren't even civil servants, so I'm not sure where they came from...

Two people Johnson and Frost fronted the withdrawal agreement, agreed? So did two people drive a horse and carriage through the entire Civil Service mandarin class? Or did the Civil Service advise to deaf ears?

You really don't have a clue. How many senior civil servants do you actually know or have in your family?

ronib

Well of course I am not a Farage supporter. Well for all the glorious experience of the civil service, we are in one big mess. I rest my case.

You don't have a case. You'd be better off just dumping it rather than resting it.

MaizieD

Johnson and Frost aren't even civil servants, so I'm not sure where they came from...

Two people Johnson and Frost fronted the withdrawal agreement, agreed? So did two people drive a horse and carriage through the entire Civil Service mandarin class? Or did the Civil Service advise to deaf ears?

ronib

The Civil Service helps the government of the day develop and implement its policies as effectively as possible.

Therefore…..partly responsible for current chaos.

No, the civil service doesn't set policies. Politicians do.

usuallyright

Stop bleating about the different situations which have affected the whole world, and they surely were not caused by us taking the most sensible step for Great Britain, of leaving the EU.
We are now, in general terms, able to do what is best for Britain, except where the vindictive nature of the EU is still attempting to interfere with us running our great country, to the benefit of Great Britain, and most importantly Northern Ireland.
Incidentally I did vote for Brexit, and was highly delighted with the result when it came. Thank you David Cameron for giving us the most welcome opportunity to escape from the clutches of the EU. TTFN

You may think it was a sensible step for Great Britain but definitely not for UK or have you forgotten about Northern Ireland? I live in NI and, apart from it being difficult getting goods in from GB the one political party here who wanted Brexit are now complaining about the protocol and have brought down the government. The protocol which Boris Johnson agreed to.
At a personal level it's causing my husband much frustration that he can no longer get seeds in from some gardening suppliers in GB and there's definitely a lot of goods no longer available in the supermarkets. I've always had a British passport but very glad now to have been able to apply for an Irish one.

MaizieD

Katie59

Would it have been any worse if Jim Hacker had been PM?.

I'm sure Sir Humphrey would have 'steered' him in the right direction..

Rudderless is what we have had.

Katie59

Would it have been any worse if Jim Hacker had been PM?.

I'm sure Sir Humphrey would have 'steered' him in the right direction..

Johnson and Frost aren't even civil servants, so I'm not sure where they came from...