Another Benefit of Brexit?

ronib

The Civil Service helps the government of the day develop and implement its policies as effectively as possible.

Therefore…..partly responsible for current chaos.

No. It is the responsibility of ministers to set policy and manage their departments in the civil service to ensure policies are implemented. This is the first parliament with such a high number of ministers who are incapable of doing so, the civil service cannot be blamed for minister incompetence. One of the biggest issues is that with five PMs and numerous ministers since 2010 and no coherent strategies which have carried through, everything keeps changing, so the right hand doesn’t know what the left is doing. Again, not the civil servants fault.

Would it have been any worse if Jim Hacker had been PM?.

Boris Johnson and Frost

It might help if I suggest that by “blaming” the CS you are in fact politicising it.

The CS is merely an arm of the executive - think of it as a machine - it has no choice in the matter. It can advise, but not refuse. It is there to carry out government policies. Imagine if it refused!

Honestly you simply don’t get it. Just sit and think the whole thing through.

The Civil Service helps the government of the day develop and implement its policies as effectively as possible.

Therefore…..partly responsible for current chaos.

ronib

Well of course I am not a Farage supporter. Well for all the glorious experience of the civil service, we are in one big mess. I rest my case.

You are equating the civil service with the government, which is entirely incorrect.

Don’t blame the civil service for the mess! Blame the bunch of numpties in our government who believed their own lies. Brexit was never deliverable successfully.

ronib

Well of course I am not a Farage supporter. Well for all the glorious experience of the civil service, we are in one big mess. I rest my case.

You haven't actually made a case to 'rest', ronib.

Well of course I am not a Farage supporter. Well for all the glorious experience of the civil service, we are in one big mess. I rest my case.

Yes

Civil servants may well advise government of the day on technical issues - of which I’m sure there were many, but when polititians make a decision they put it into action. They are going to get paid wether they agree with the decisions or not.

ronib

Generally speaking, we think that the Civil Service has always been against Brexit and that the current arrangements suit simply because when the next government is in power, re entry into the EU is simpler.

😄😄😄. You simply can’t make silly statements like that without any backup.

The civil service has served this country well for over 100 years. It is non-politicised and serves every government of all colours. It is the management of our country, from cradle to grave, from health, education, environment, flood management, security, policing, defence and so on. To suggest that it was not up to dealing with Brexit is bizarre.

Your suggestion that an “independent body” should have managed Brexit does not suggest to me a non-politicised body, but one who would be favourable to Brexit in all its disastrous glory, without speaking truth to power. Civil servants have a century of experience to draw on and when they speak truth to power, one hopes that the minister take cognisant of the advice. Truss chose not to - to disastrous results.

I hesitate to give him space, but here he goes, as Bercow says 'nonsense on stilts'

youtu.be/nYn2atlKrK8

LOL nope

Hope that question’s not for me fleurpepper

More or less what Farage is saying. Are you a supporter of his?

“an independent body” - isn’t that what the civil service is. Is such a body possible.? Well Brexit is proving a success - for Paris, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Berlin….

This is silly. We also think that the Civil Service should never have been given responsibility for Brexit but the task should have been given to an independent body. It might have had better outcomes.

ronib

Generally speaking, we think that the Civil Service has always been against Brexit and that the current arrangements suit simply because when the next government is in power, re entry into the EU is simpler.

Not at all attacking the messenger. I find it 'low'/strange, that you are prepared to make the above comment and not be prepared to say who you are talking about.

This is not the the sort of site where it’s a safe space to give all information. Why don’t you examine the argument rather than attack the messenger?

which is why I wrote 'pretty low'

I don’t wish to share

ronib

MaizieD

Who are 'we', ronib?

Prefer not to say

I rather think you've well outed yourself already, ronib...

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