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Cutting benefits for part-time workers

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Ilovecheese Thu 22-Sept-22 12:56:39

What the Government will save on giving a bit of a top up to part time workers, they ought to be prepared to cover the extra expense that will result from the lack of care giving (currently being done by part time workers). They may find that this is yet another of their I'll thought out, false economies that their ideology leads them to make.

VB000 Thu 22-Sept-22 12:54:19

womblekelly

Tbh I am very glad I made the decision to work part time and then retire early ... husband was 8 years older than me and passed away suddenly on Sat. The only benefit we received was his state pension. It has meant we have had quality time together whic I very much cherush.

Sad news Womblekelly, so sorry

Casdon Thu 22-Sept-22 12:53:34

Doodledog

I think that it's people like you who he's aiming at, but those who claim benefits rather than living on a pension. Apparently Covid made a lot of older people realise that they could survive on less money than they thought, simply by not spending on commuting, work clothes, lunches etc, and they (we) are giving up work or going part-time.

I can completely understand their point of view, but am not sure that paying benefits to do it is fair to other workers who don't have this option.

I presume it’s also single and cash strapped families with young children who want to work but fit what they do around school/nursery hours, and will be forcing them back into full time work.

womblekelly Thu 22-Sept-22 12:50:57

Tbh I am very glad I made the decision to work part time and then retire early ... husband was 8 years older than me and passed away suddenly on Sat. The only benefit we received was his state pension. It has meant we have had quality time together whic I very much cherush.

Doodledog Thu 22-Sept-22 12:49:11

I also gave up working long before pension age. I don't claim benefits, but am managing on a small pension until my SPA. My job was stressful, but not physically demanding. I can well understand how people doing heavy lifting or long hours on their feet might need (rather than want) to cut their hours. The difficult bit is whether the benefit system should enable this or not, and I just don't know.

Doodledog Thu 22-Sept-22 12:08:06

I think that it's people like you who he's aiming at, but those who claim benefits rather than living on a pension. Apparently Covid made a lot of older people realise that they could survive on less money than they thought, simply by not spending on commuting, work clothes, lunches etc, and they (we) are giving up work or going part-time.

I can completely understand their point of view, but am not sure that paying benefits to do it is fair to other workers who don't have this option.

Grandmabatty Thu 22-Sept-22 12:03:56

I think this will mainly hit women who have caring responsibilities. I retired at 60 from teaching and worked four days a week. I was exhausted. I now look after grandchildren two days a week and survive off a small occupational pension as I'm too young for my state pension. I have no intention of returning to teaching.

Doodledog Thu 22-Sept-22 11:57:16

It is expected that Kwasi Kwarteng is to announce new measures to stop people from working part-time and having their 'wages' made up from benefits.

Apparently this is to encourage the over-50s, who make up a significant part of the part-time workforce, back to work; but will be applied to people of all ages.

I'm not sure what I think. Part of me feels that at a certain age people should perhaps be able to draw a half pension and work part-time to top it up if they wish. A lot of older people find physical work difficult, and there are those who would love to help out by looking after grandchildren, but can't afford to give up work. I'm sure that there are younger people who would also relish the thought of working part-time, but can't afford to take the cut in wages.

On the other hand, I don't see why wages should be made up by benefits, so that some can choose to work part-time whilst others have to work full-time in order to subsidise them. My friend's daughter, for instance, works part-time, and says that it's not worth working extra hours when offered them, as her benefits would be affected. I think that it sounds very entitled, and see no reason why she should get paid for hours she isn't working. She is in her 30's, able bodied and has a degree. If people can only get part-time work as there is no f/t jobs available, or are only able to work part-time because of health conditions, it's different, of course.

Also, the current situation allows employers the opportunity to use benefit top-ups to keep people on p/t hours. This means that they don't have to pay their NI contributions, with all the associated problems for the employee that that brings in later life, and that can't be right either. Maybe if people didn't get the top-ups they would refuse part-time roles and take up ones that let them pay a 'stamp' that entitles them to pensions and sick pay.

I can't decide what I think - do you think that this is a good idea?

Link to The Guardian story - other papers are available