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Today’s Mini Budget.

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Urmstongran Fri 23-Sept-22 10:03:22

What do we think of Kwarteng’s statement?

DaisyAnne Mon 26-Sept-22 18:21:02

Katie59

Thankfully sterling is recovering steadily as are a great many other currencies, the panic was buying US dollars, let’s hope for a continued rise and no more bad news.

Stirling is a little better because the markets have factored in a future rise in interest rates, they believe the BoE will make. However, we have no idea what Kwarteng will lay out in November when he announces his new fiscal rules. He may change the rules for the BoE. (I would be happy to hear he can't). We simply have no idea what he intends to do other than make the rich richer and punish the poor.

The government said the statement would include details on the new approach to borrowing, spending and tax-raising rules, including a pledge to ensure debt falls as a share of GDP in the “medium term”. (Independent)

MaizieD Mon 26-Sept-22 17:59:12

Apparently the BoE raises interest rates in order to attract investors back into buying UK bonds. A higher interest rate lowers the yield. Which, contrary to what it might sound like, is apparently a Good Thing. I found this a puzzling notion but found a handy idiot's guide to bond yields:

It had a very good, simple table to illustrate it but unfortunately its formatting is such that I can't out it on here as an image. So you'd have to follow my link to see it.

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Government bonds are frequently traded on bond markets. Therefore, their market price may be quite different to the original price set by the government.

Example. A government may sell a 10 year, £1,000 bond at 5% interest. This means every year the government will pay £50 to the holder of this bond.

If demand for government bonds rose, this £1,000 bond would increase in price as investors pushed up the market price.
But, the government still pay £50 a year interest until maturity. If the market price of the bond rises to say £2,000, the interest rate (yield) is now 2.5% (50/2000)
Therefore higher demand for bonds leads to lower bond yields.
Conversely, if people sell bonds, this pushes up the bond yield (e.g. what happened in Greece)

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www.economicshelp.org/blog/5604/economics/uk-bond-yields-explained/

A problem with raising the interest rates is that the BoE has already foolishly raised them to solve an inflation problem that we don't have; that of too much money chasing too few goods. We don't have too much money in the economy, we don't have enough. Two lots of interest rises are just going to make a bad situation worse.

It seems doubtful to me that 'investors' will want to buy our bonds as we seem so very incompetent at handling our economy.

Farzanah Mon 26-Sept-22 17:38:14

If interest rates go up the housing market will be in crisis as many may be unable to meet mortgage repayments. Likewise renters, as rents will rise from an already high level. Tax cuts won’t be much use to those struggling.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 26-Sept-22 17:22:11

Robert Peston

The Bank of England signals we are in a crisis after the emergency budget and says it won’t hesitate to put up interest rates - and the pound falls again. Which shows the Bank and Chancellor both have serious credibility problems. Worrying

Whitewavemark2 Mon 26-Sept-22 12:06:42

Chief economist of UBS - Swiss Bank, said that the Tory party has become a doomsday cult.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 26-Sept-22 11:59:24

Spending cuts now expected, as Truss will not u-turn on the tax cuts.

Farzanah Mon 26-Sept-22 11:57:44

The Government must be very worried, as is the country, and so far Kwarteng hasn’t come forward to reassure us!

Whitewavemark2 Mon 26-Sept-22 11:54:52

Just listening to LGB..

Interest rates is expected to hit 6% by next March?.

Callistemon21 Mon 26-Sept-22 11:30:52

MayBee70

Katie59

Thankfully sterling is recovering steadily as are a great many other currencies, the panic was buying US dollars, let’s hope for a continued rise and no more bad news.

And his mates have made millions out of it…

That's why he was ...........

Oh no, better not go there hmm

Oldnproud Mon 26-Sept-22 11:20:43

Blinko

They are running the Tory party and the country into the ground.

I seriously wonder if it's a tactic and they are actually seeking not to get re-elected as they've completely run out of steam.

Cynic, me?

I've been thinking the same.

It's the only reason I can think of that would explain their clearly ludicrously-damaging economic policies.

What I can't imagine is why they want to run both party and country into the ground. What is their ultimate goal?

MayBee70 Mon 26-Sept-22 11:02:47

Katie59

Thankfully sterling is recovering steadily as are a great many other currencies, the panic was buying US dollars, let’s hope for a continued rise and no more bad news.

And his mates have made millions out of it…

Katie59 Mon 26-Sept-22 10:59:42

Thankfully sterling is recovering steadily as are a great many other currencies, the panic was buying US dollars, let’s hope for a continued rise and no more bad news.

maddyone Mon 26-Sept-22 10:57:14

MayBee70

He’s ( unbelievably) a bigger narcissist than Johnson.

And there you have it.

MayBee70 Mon 26-Sept-22 10:53:23

He’s ( unbelievably) a bigger narcissist than Johnson.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 26-Sept-22 10:42:19

Kwartang going for growth. Maintains that his policies of giving money to the wealthy will do just that.

Sterling gone through the floor.

Forecast just this morning - U.K. economy will slow this year, and flat line next year. That is on current policies.

What happens when Kwartang does further tax cuts in November?

Kwartang’s dogma is driving him. His economic competence is nil.

Blinko Mon 26-Sept-22 10:16:26

They are running the Tory party and the country into the ground.

I seriously wonder if it's a tactic and they are actually seeking not to get re-elected as they've completely run out of steam.

Cynic, me?

Farzanah Mon 26-Sept-22 10:03:47

Indeed Daisymae. They’re (Brown) still getting blamed for the 2008 Crash.

Daisymae Mon 26-Sept-22 09:14:15

Can you imagine the headlines if a labour government had been responsible for the collapse of the pound?

Parsley3 Mon 26-Sept-22 09:09:22

What scares me is that the Truss regime is gaslighting us into believing that they have nothing to do with the last 12 years of Conservative government.

Chocolatelovinggran Mon 26-Sept-22 08:08:54

Sorry Parsley - you've noticed, too!

Chocolatelovinggran Mon 26-Sept-22 08:07:38

Sorry Parsley- crossed post !

Chocolatelovinggran Mon 26-Sept-22 08:05:36

Interestingly, the Chancellor was explaining that there was work to do, as the government had only been in place for "19 days". I thought this a little odd, as I thought that this party had been in power for several years...

Katie59 Mon 26-Sept-22 07:49:30

Congratulations guys you have reduced the value of sterling by 40% in just 15 months, you couldn’t run a government in a banana republic.

vegansrock Mon 26-Sept-22 06:58:10

Even if the Euro has declined against the $, it doesn’t affect the EU as much as they have the worlds biggest single market with more trade deals and don’t rely so much on imports.

vegansrock Mon 26-Sept-22 06:50:20

They are trying to continue the pretence that Brexit was a good idea……