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The IMF has stepped in to warn the U.K. government

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Whitewavemark2 Wed 28-Sept-22 04:52:56

From the BBC

The International Monetary Fund has openly criticised the UK government over its plan for tax cuts, warning that the measures are likely to fuel the cost-of-living crisis.

In an unusually outspoken statement, the IMF said the proposal would be likely to increase inequality and add to pressures pushing up prices.

Markets have already raised alarm over the plans, sending the pound plunging.
The IMF works to stabilise the global economy, and one of its roles is to act as an early economic warning system.

It said it understood the package aimed to boost growth via tax cuts, but it warned that the measures could speed up the pace of price rises, which the UK's central bank is trying to bring down.

"Furthermore, the nature of the UK measures will likely increase inequality," it said.

The IMF said that the government publishing a fiscal plan on 23 November gave it an opportunity to "re-evaluate" tax measures, "especially those that benefit high income earners".

Callistemon21 Wed 28-Sept-22 15:58:49

I think that is exactly what it is, growstuff - an experiment.

It's a terrifying way for a Chancellor of the Exchequer to behave.

growstuff Wed 28-Sept-22 15:55:51

I doubt if Kwarteng had a brainstorm moment. He co-authored a book in 2012 "Britannia Unchained" with Truss and others, advocating what he is doing now. They've spent ten years waiting for this moment to carry out their ghastly experiment.

biglouis Wed 28-Sept-22 15:55:50

I run several online shops and almost all my trade is international. Ive had to raise my prices across the board and hope my customers will not notice. However my shops are closed for vaction until end September so it was a good time to do it. Increased costs have to be passed on to end users.

MayBee70 Wed 28-Sept-22 15:55:05

So, if the Bank of England hadn’t stepped in some pension funds would have crashed. And some Tory supporters/ MP’s are saying everyone’s over reacting confused

MaizieD Wed 28-Sept-22 15:54:07

@BestforBritain tweeted this yesterday

Best for Britain
@BestForBritain
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“Senior gov't officials warned the PM and the Chancellor that [the Budget] would trigger market volatility and cause a shock to the economy. Officials who advised against Friday’s plans included civil servants in the Treasury and Downing Street, as well as Simon Case.”

Callistemon21 Wed 28-Sept-22 15:53:30

Apparently he done a PhD in Economic History at Cambridge?
62Granny his thesis was on:

"Political thought of the recoinage crisis of 1695-7"

Perhaps he's wanting to make his name to go down in economic history. The sooner the better it would seem!

62Granny Wed 28-Sept-22 15:48:25

This is getting more and more frightening as the day goes on , you wonder if Kwarteng actually got some guidance from the The Bank of England or anybody else or just had a brainstorm moment and thought any of this was a good idea? ? Apparently he done a PhD in Economic History at Cambridge? I think he may go down in history as the chancellor who made the Biggest economic gaff in history.

paddyann54 Wed 28-Sept-22 14:46:08

Would you believe it...Dozy D Ross leader of the Scottish branch of the con ..servatives wants Nicola Sturgeon to give the same tax cuts to Scots ......lol .Our tax was restrucured to benefit people who need it not high earners .

Dougie 3 jobs Ross needs to understand that the Scottish public are the people who VOTE the SNP into power because we trust then not to get us into the mess that Westminster has specialised in for a very long time

MaizieD Wed 28-Sept-22 14:39:24

CvD66

Love the way the very few Tories daring to put their heads above the parapet, are blaming Labour! As one Tory spin doctor says: there's nowhere else to turn!

Remainers seem to be getting some blame, too. hmm

CvD66 Wed 28-Sept-22 14:35:29

Love the way the very few Tories daring to put their heads above the parapet, are blaming Labour! As one Tory spin doctor says: there's nowhere else to turn!

MaizieD Wed 28-Sept-22 14:25:34

Redwood is a headbanger. Like most of the Brexity tory MPs.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 28-Sept-22 13:49:49

Tbh it may have made matters worse, right hand/left hand etc.

The markets have no trust in anything now it seems.

I see Redwood says we should ignore market reaction and the IMF.

Good luck with that?

MaizieD Wed 28-Sept-22 13:33:13

Whitewavemark2

Richard Murphy
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It looks as if the Bank of England's intervention in the market this morning has failed - which is hardly surprising since it was riddled with absurd contradictions, almost as bad as those Kwarteng managed. The pound has fallen again....

Those were my thoughts. (And I hadn't read Murphy's comment first)

Especially if the BoE haven't acted with the approval of the government.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 28-Sept-22 13:21:07

Grayling1

Haven't had to think about about this seriously before but wondering if private pensions will be affected with dire economic position? I depend very much on my late DH's at the moment.

That’s one if the reasons the BoE has stepped in.

Grayling1 Wed 28-Sept-22 13:16:53

Haven't had to think about about this seriously before but wondering if private pensions will be affected with dire economic position? I depend very much on my late DH's at the moment.

varian Wed 28-Sept-22 13:05:39

Esspee

I cannot be alone in being stressed beyond measure at what our country has become.
There is a surge on Twitter of people committing to vote for any party to get the Conservatives out by tactical voting.

Good to know that Espee Tactical voting against the Tories is the best way to beat them as long as we have FPTP

Whitewavemark2 Wed 28-Sept-22 12:40:39

MerylStreep

I’m not defending anyone but the IMF don’t always get it right.
Although a long time ago this was one of their spectacular failures.

www.heritage.org/europe/report/russias-meltdown-anatomy-the-imf-failure

Good to have a balance??

MerylStreep Wed 28-Sept-22 12:35:55

I’m not defending anyone but the IMF don’t always get it right.
Although a long time ago this was one of their spectacular failures.

www.heritage.org/europe/report/russias-meltdown-anatomy-the-imf-failure

Esspee Wed 28-Sept-22 12:32:52

I cannot be alone in being stressed beyond measure at what our country has become.
There is a surge on Twitter of people committing to vote for any party to get the Conservatives out by tactical voting.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 28-Sept-22 12:17:51

Richard Murphy
@RichardJMurphy
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6m
It looks as if the Bank of England's intervention in the market this morning has failed - which is hardly surprising since it was riddled with absurd contradictions, almost as bad as those Kwarteng managed. The pound has fallen again....

Philippa111 Wed 28-Sept-22 12:06:12

I think there are no words strong enough to express the distressing state of things. If we thought it was bad before, this is an all time low.
We have self serving narcissists at the head of government. Absolutely clueless. Liz Truss is a woman possessed.... with an obsessive need for attention and power... at any cost to the 4 countries.
I despair!
With a conservative government we have slowly but surely declined and we are on course to be the poor relation, not to mention a laughing stock, on the international platform.

I imagine a block of butter will be costing £5 before long!

Whitewavemark2 Wed 28-Sept-22 12:00:07

MaizieD

^The BoE has stepped in to try to calm the markets by buying government bonds.^

And they are stopping for the time being their 'reverse QE'

I wonder if the BoE is doing this with the agreement of the Chancellor and PM, as it will be lumped in with the rest of the deficit as '/borrowing', or is the BoE doing it off its own bat?

Although the news story says that they intend to resell the bonds once the markets have calmed (in October) I'm wondering if either of those things will happen (calm or resale)

news.sky.com/story/bank-of-england-takes-action-to-restore-orderly-market-conditions-after-mini-budget-panic-12706827

I bet it is off it’s own bat. Still QE should help. I just hope if Kwarteng is still around in November, he doesn’t repeat the tax cuts as he is threatening to.

The most likely scenario will be to plunge the U.K. into austerity again. Like it helped so much during the first decade of Tory rule!

MaizieD Wed 28-Sept-22 11:50:55

The BoE has stepped in to try to calm the markets by buying government bonds.

And they are stopping for the time being their 'reverse QE'

I wonder if the BoE is doing this with the agreement of the Chancellor and PM, as it will be lumped in with the rest of the deficit as '/borrowing', or is the BoE doing it off its own bat?

Although the news story says that they intend to resell the bonds once the markets have calmed (in October) I'm wondering if either of those things will happen (calm or resale)

news.sky.com/story/bank-of-england-takes-action-to-restore-orderly-market-conditions-after-mini-budget-panic-12706827

silverspoon125 Wed 28-Sept-22 11:49:12

Oh dear, Truss and Kwarteng have managed in a matter of a few days to destroy the union. Scotland will be off, and I don't blame them.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 28-Sept-22 11:46:39

One thing that the BoE is worrying about are the pension trusts which are under enormous pressure.