Sir Keir Starmer

Aveline

I'm a big fan of Starmer but barristers have been known to twist facts and be extremely devious in defence of defendants as required. They have to be be pretty silver tongued at times.
My evidence? I've seen them at work!

You mean in the way that Johnson made Suella Braverman Attorney General so she could find way for him to break the law ( or work around it).

Aveline

I'm a big fan of Starmer but barristers have been known to twist facts and be extremely devious in defence of defendants as required. They have to be be pretty silver tongued at times.
My evidence? I've seen them at work!

Somewhat the same as estate agents used to be?
Barristers do a vital job of course, as do estate agents, but both have an unfortunate reputation.
It does mean that Keir Starmer is intelligent and can reason well, both qualities will stand him in good stead as PM.I also like the fact that he is a happily married man with a family, I know it should not matter, but to me it does.

They are obliged not to mislead the court.

I'm a big fan of Starmer but barristers have been known to twist facts and be extremely devious in defence of defendants as required. They have to be be pretty silver tongued at times.
My evidence? I've seen them at work!

Keir Starmer was a barrister in a former life - he knows how to talk the talk - for that reason I can't quite trust him.

What??? You can’t quite trust someone because he is articulate, thoughtful and measured in what he says. That makes him untrustworthy? Beggars belief!

Trying to return to the OP.

I'm not a Labour voter but I think KS is doing well at the moment.

Don't understand why he would care about 'winning over' Tory grass-roots members who voted for Liz Truss. Many of them prob regret it already.

Aveline

An opinion is just that. This is just a chat forum. We don't need to add references if we don't want to. You are entitled to think whatever you like about that.

There is actually a forum called Chat. A good place for opinions. This isn't it.

One kind of expects more debate and discussion on the rather serious topic of politics. And one expects to be able to ask posters to explain their 'opinions'. They are of course, perfectly free not to do so; in which case their opinions don't really count contribute to the discussion.

Aveline

An opinion is just that. This is just a chat forum. We don't need to add references if we don't want to. You are entitled to think whatever you like about that.

Of course, but you can't expect people to accept an opinion which is not backed by evidence without countering with - facts and evidence. This is perfectly fair, surely.

I've just said in another thread...If I tell you that the moon is made of green cheese you don't have to respect that opinion, and nod sagely and say, that's fine, if you are of that opinion. Because it's not true.

An opinion is just that. This is just a chat forum. We don't need to add references if we don't want to. You are entitled to think whatever you like about that.

Casdon

Aveline

swampy1961 is as entitled to his/her opinion as you are to yours Casdon.

Of course Aveline, but an opinion should be backed up by some substantive reasoning, rather than all barristers being slightly dodgy, so he must be. Maybe swampy1961 has something more substantive to contribute to support her opinion?

Yes, that makes a huge difference.

I know Whitewavemark2- I was responding to what was being implied rather than literally said!

Aveline

swampy1961 is as entitled to his/her opinion as you are to yours Casdon.

Of course Aveline, but an opinion should be backed up by some substantive reasoning, rather than all barristers being slightly dodgy, so he must be. Maybe swampy1961 has something more substantive to contribute to support her opinion?

Aveline

swampy1961 is as entitled to his/her opinion as you are to yours Casdon.

Read the post again. Nowhere does it say that swampy is not entitled to his/her opinion.

swampy1961 is as entitled to his/her opinion as you are to yours Casdon.

Casdon, yes, thank you.

swampy1961

Keir Starmer was a barrister in a former life - he knows how to talk the talk - for that reason I can't quite trust him.

I think what you mean is that you’re a Tory voter, you can’t find anything in his actions or behaviour to criticise other than the fact that he’s a Labour politician, so a nefarious ‘can’t quite trust him because he’s a barrister’ is the best you can come up with. I never trusted Boris Johnson because he was a second rate journalist, proven liar and conman, the difference being that I had the proof for my beliefs.

swampy1961

Keir Starmer was a barrister in a former life - he knows how to talk the talk - for that reason I can't quite trust him.

You mean unlike politicians who made their living writing made up stories for newspapers, or writing books called Britannia Unchained?

swampy1961

Keir Starmer was a barrister in a former life - he knows how to talk the talk - for that reason I can't quite trust him.

This is one of the many reasons I do trust him. I do think he could go back to Europe and the USA, and negotiate some excellent Deals, with respect to the GFA. Because he is so intelligent, and has huge experience in legal affairs, and can, quietly, surely, talk the talk.

swampy1961

Keir Starmer was a barrister in a former life - he knows how to talk the talk - for that reason I can't quite trust him.

Who would you trust, swamp1961?

As opposed to Truss who seems to have trouble forming coherent sentences.

swampy1961

Keir Starmer was a barrister in a former life - he knows how to talk the talk - for that reason I can't quite trust him.

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Keir Starmer was a barrister in a former life - he knows how to talk the talk - for that reason I can't quite trust him.

When I think of Starmer I think of Attlee. Both quiet and non showy politicians. Both concerned with caring for the welfare of the population. Just think NHS, pensions etc. Instigated by the Attlee government. He also kept us fed throughout those years with the help of ration books and guidance. In the First World War people starved.

Maudi

How do you know if they are silent wishful thinking I suspect on your part.

Because the polls tell us. Polling includes the 'silent majority'.