Sir Keir Starmer

MayBee70

Glorianny

I'm not sure about him either as a man or as a politician. He may be attracting Tory voters but that's nothing to boast about looking at their last 2 choices. More seriously he leads a party with major financial problems, some of which he certainly contributed to. I'm not sure that's shows he is as responsible as he seems.

Isn’t it better that a party stands on its political ideology not by how many rich backers ( with their own personal financial interests) they have.

Of course it is Maybee70 however because of the loss of union funds, a huge membership drop, and a lot of money paid out, the LP has serious financial difficulties. It is at present relying on the fact that this is mid-term and not GE time. At the same time Starmer is looking at high profile donors. In which case we will have two parties supported by rich backers. One of the things being relied on is that the fall in membership is the usual mid-term shift and it will climb as we approach a GE. Perhaps it will. But it has made a lot of office staff redundant, it has a £5 million pound deficit, and if an election were called tomorrow I'm not sure what sort of a campaign it could run. It is very worrying.

Anniebach

People didn’t stay loyal to their party at the last two elections,
Labour had the worse defeat since 1935

I agree. There is a huge sense that "traditional" supporters of both parties feel that their party has changed beyond recognition and no longer represent them. I think it is all up for grabs at the next election.

There is snobbery and there is inverted snobbery, but we must not be too quick to agree with either view.Indeed, without knowing the person who makes comments on not trusting or not liking any MP or member of the cabinet or shadow cabinet or their reasons, it is not good to jump in with own ideas about them.

Not snobbery at all. Perfectly reasonable to have some concerns about some of the shadow cabinet just as there was when Labour lost to the Tories last time. Many unknown quantities. Give them a chance. They'd soon become household names in time.

Yet there is much criticism of anyone who went to Eaton

Hopefully Labour will win the next election, you could say in fact, how could they fail?

You cannot know that MaizieD it is your own thoughts on the matter.

Yes possibly Anniebach but what was called the Corbyn factor on the doorstep was no doubt too strong.

Prentice

Not snobbery, just people doubting the quality of some of the present shadow cabinet from all I have read.There is no such doubt about Mr Starmer though.

No, Prentice, it's snobbery, pure and simple.

Agree Prentice I wonder if the brexit vote would have been
different if Corbyn had taken part in the campaign

Would Starmer have to appeal to traditional Tory voters?

There must be a vast swathe of the electorate who have voted Labour in the past, the so-called floating voters, those whose votes often decide the result of general elections.

Very true Anniebach although there were two good reasons for this do you not think? Mr Corbyn and Brexit.

Not snobbery, just people doubting the quality of some of the present shadow cabinet from all I have read.There is no such doubt about Mr Starmer though.

People didn’t stay loyal to their party at the last two elections,
Labour had the worse defeat since 1935

I'm so impressed by Starmer. Not flashy or populist looking for any photo opportunity going just quietly and firmly looking like a grown up! If only there could be an election tomorrow.

it has to be said that there would be little appetite from Conservative voters for those around him.

I'm not sure that all tory voters as such arrant snobs as some posters on here.

When you think of the mediocrities who Johnson and Truss surrounded themselves with such snobbery is utterly laughable.

I realise that you are optimistic Whitewavemark2 but there is such a long way to go yet that snap polls are very unreliable indeed.
I have always thought Mr Starmer a good choice for leader and also for PM but yes, it has to be said that there would be little appetite from Conservative voters for those around him.
When it comes to an actual general election people usually stay loyal to their party.Still, it is good that people recognise his qualities from outside the Labour party, especially as many within the Labour party do not.

Yes, I think in time Keir Starmer will be regarded as a great statesman and politician. Go Keir your time is coming!

Glorianny

I'm not sure about him either as a man or as a politician. He may be attracting Tory voters but that's nothing to boast about looking at their last 2 choices. More seriously he leads a party with major financial problems, some of which he certainly contributed to. I'm not sure that's shows he is as responsible as he seems.

Isn’t it better that a party stands on its political ideology not by how many rich backers ( with their own personal financial interests) they have.

With pensions under threat - which are not out of the woods yet - Tories will not tolerate this.

Totally agree. Truss has no mandate. This is not going to end well.

I'm not sure about him either as a man or as a politician. He may be attracting Tory voters but that's nothing to boast about looking at their last 2 choices. More seriously he leads a party with major financial problems, some of which he certainly contributed to. I'm not sure that's shows he is as responsible as he seems.

Starmer is trying to appeal to life long tory voters ?

Corbyn failed to appeal to life long Labour voters.

I agree WWM2. I know he isn’t everybody’s cup of tea but I’d feel safer if he was PM. Liz Truss is frighteningly reckless.

Germanshepherdsmum

But there won’t be an election tomorrow. And no matter how much Starmer tries to appeal to Tory voters, do you think they will be similarly enamoured with some of his shadow cabinet, especially his deputy?

She wasn’t mentioned. It is Starmer that they are so impressed with, and translating into votes.

33 point lead - snapshot - must translate into votes from Tory voters. Of course it will change, but I still think the Tories are toast.

But there won’t be an election tomorrow. And no matter how much Starmer tries to appeal to Tory voters, do you think they will be similarly enamoured with some of his shadow cabinet, especially his deputy?