Eddie Izzard

It’s right at the top now Rosie

Are you suggesting there wasn't a men's toilet Eddie could use, and that's why the women were assuring him the women's was clear? The other one's got bells on!

Rosie51

icanhandthemback I think that's a common theme, using the men's in desperation after a male has checked and then stands guard. Glorianny said she and friends checked no men were in there or at the urinals before entering. Eddie Izzard types just swan in to women's toilets as fully entitled and caring not one jot about any women in there.

If you read the article it says quite clearly that two women accompanied Eddie and opened the doors for her. It is also unnecessarily rude about the two women who might have simply been doing a job they were paid to do. However as usual in efforts to discredit transpeople women who don't behave in the proscribed way can be chucked under the bus, which shows how much feminism is really involved in this.

Rosie51

Does GN mark some threads not to appear on "Active"? I posted on the Mermaids one and it still doesn't appear as active when I select that.

Hi. The Active List hasn’t worked properly or consistently for a couple of years now.
The Hip Replacement thread rarely appears in Active.
There was one thread that never appeared in the list (a totally innocuous one)
At least four threads have been created about ‘disappearing’ threads under Site Stuff.
HQ have been contacted numerous times too

And once to my embarrassment when desperation made me take my eyes off the ball and I entered the men's by mistake.

Oh yes, been there and worn the tee shirt but most times I have met a man exiting so realised my mistake. Having a irritable bladder and bowel is destined to lead me to desperation!

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you were.

Thank you for clarifying.

icanhandthemback

Rosie51

icanhandthemback I think that's a common theme, using the men's in desperation after a male has checked and then stands guard. Glorianny said she and friends checked no men were in there or at the urinals before entering. Eddie Izzard types just swan in to women's toilets as fully entitled and caring not one jot about any women in there.

Sorry, Rosie51, I was responding to JaneJudge's post and I thought I should be honest out of fairness to Glorianny! It wasn't in defence of Eddie Izzard although maybe the two ladies accompanying EI were doing a similar thing to my husband.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you were. I was agreeing! I've used the men's in pure desperation, once in a country type setting where it was a stone 'hut' and the ladies was obviously situated further away and out of sight. And once to my embarrassment when desperation made me take my eyes off the ball and I entered the men's by mistake. Such desperation I didn't even notice the two urinals I'd run past to get to the cubicle. Not until I was exiting, noticed them and then startled the poor chap who was just about to enter. Lots of "sorries" from him and me as I was reassuring him I was the one who had got it wrong!

Rosie51 I just posted on that thread and it came up at 7th on the active list, although some of the posts ahead of it had been updated a couple of minutes previously.
I'd guess it's just GN sloppiness, not deliberate. ?

Rosie51

icanhandthemback I think that's a common theme, using the men's in desperation after a male has checked and then stands guard. Glorianny said she and friends checked no men were in there or at the urinals before entering. Eddie Izzard types just swan in to women's toilets as fully entitled and caring not one jot about any women in there.

Sorry, Rosie51, I was responding to JaneJudge's post and I thought I should be honest out of fairness to Glorianny! It wasn't in defence of Eddie Izzard although maybe the two ladies accompanying EI were doing a similar thing to my husband.

Rosie51

Does GN mark some threads not to appear on "Active"? I posted on the Mermaids one and it still doesn't appear as active when I select that.

It does just now.

Was reading recently Caitlyn Jenner's account of an incident in a Vermont High School where a trans/girl was using the female locker room with their female athletic team mates. Under Vermont State Law students can play sport and use the locker rooms of whichever gender they identify with. Allegedly the trans gender person made an inappropriate comment whilst they were all changing which the female team mates objected to. The upshot, they, the team mates have all been banned from this area and dress and undress in the small bathroom, where the toilets are, whilst the trans person has the entire locker room to themselves.

How did life become this complicated we only have to rewind a few years before such happenings would be considered bizarre. and outrageous

Does GN mark some threads not to appear on "Active"? I posted on the Mermaids one and it still doesn't appear as active when I select that.

icanhandthemback I think that's a common theme, using the men's in desperation after a male has checked and then stands guard. Glorianny said she and friends checked no men were in there or at the urinals before entering. Eddie Izzard types just swan in to women's toilets as fully entitled and caring not one jot about any women in there.

I'm going to put my hand up and say I have used the men's toilets in complete desperation. My husband has guarded the door to alert men that I am in there and made sure the urinals were clear before I emerged from the cubicle. Believe me, I've had to be desperate, the smell...!

JaneJudge

Glorianny, you were the only person who said you used the male toilets on this thread?

I’ve used the men’s toilets in JB’s (RIP) in Dudley a couple of times.
Now there’s an education

The big problem now is that people are afraid to challenge men in a Ladies loo.

When my friend was sexually assaulted men didn’t go into the Ladies, which is how her attacker was stopped before he actually raped her. Someone saw a man go in and raised the alarm. If it had been commonplace for men to be there, he might not have been caught, and who knows what would have happened to my friend. Not wanting men in women’s spaces is not about transphobia - it is about men (however they ‘identify’) in women’s spaces.

Glorianny are you aware of problems with the single-sex toilet convention before the last few years?
I'm not .
"Abusive men will go in anyway" we hear. Maybe some will, and do, but many will be put off by awareness of the social convention (especially if they may be seen going in) so it seems like a bad idea to tell all men that they are welcome in women's toilets.

* Are you saying that Eddy’s aim is to promote division? Knowing this, and listing all his prejudices, you still support his right to infringe female rights?*

Never mind Glorianny, if it’s too complex or too late at night (or you simply can’t answer my question), I’ll just enjoy my moment of being correct about your support for his right to infringe female rights.

Glorianny

*As for the policing thing - I tend to favour laws and rules that make sense and benefit society. The police and lawyers can work out how to make people comply.*
But how would a law restricting male entrance to a woman's toilet be policed? It's been said on this thread that some people who are actually female don't conform to what might be considered the norms of women. So those women would suffer, how does that benefit society? The problem with introducing restrictions and regulations that are virtually unenforceable is that they create a feeling of false security and at the same time can cause pain and distress to people they were never intended to hurt. I think abdicating responsibility for a change in the law you think is necessary is simply unacceptable.

Well you may think that, but I have never before been asked how I think a law should be policed - the system seems to find ways to do so without my input.

Glorianny, you were the only person who said you used the male toilets on this thread?

I should add it's about 8 minutes long. I know Doodledog got criticised on some previous threads for "too long" posts that challenged concentration.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzR3Id6yeOc

Statement by Fred Sargeant who really was at Stonewall, who was violently attacked by a group of TRAs to the point of needing hospital treatment. Aren't they just stunning and brave!

As for the policing thing - I tend to favour laws and rules that make sense and benefit society. The police and lawyers can work out how to make people comply.
But how would a law restricting male entrance to a woman's toilet be policed? It's been said on this thread that some people who are actually female don't conform to what might be considered the norms of women. So those women would suffer, how does that benefit society? The problem with introducing restrictions and regulations that are virtually unenforceable is that they create a feeling of false security and at the same time can cause pain and distress to people they were never intended to hurt. I think abdicating responsibility for a change in the law you think is necessary is simply unacceptable.

Mollygo

Glorianny

Mollygo
What a weird post Glorianny.
Are you saying that Eddy’s aim is to promote division? Knowing this, and listing all his prejudices, you still support his right to infringe female rights?
Mollygo it is difficult to keep explaining what is happening on a thread. We are discussing the article by Brendan O'Neil, not Eddie Izzard.
The Title says Eddie Izzard , but your neat little response is your usual avoidance tactic so you don’t have to answer my question.
As usual.

Honestly Mollygo I really don't know what to say, you are confused over the article which was the OP and the article written by Brendan O'Neil which is the subject of the later discussion. I can't keep explaining things to you.
I'm afraid I can't answer questions I really don't understand.

SueDonim

Glorianny said woman is a social construct

??? I wish I’d know that years ago! I could have socially constructed myself out of period pains, menopause symptoms and currently awaiting a hysterectomy, all by simply reconstructing myself as a man.

Omg, I have just never read anything so ridiculous.

Me neither, although I can’t be completely sure with Glorianny.
She doesn’t answer questions either.

Glorianny said woman is a social construct

??? I wish I’d know that years ago! I could have socially constructed myself out of period pains, menopause symptoms and currently awaiting a hysterectomy, all by simply reconstructing myself as a man.

Omg, I have just never read anything so ridiculous.