First major U-turn

I agree Monica.

I have more confidence in the Fullfacts figures than yours Boz

The problem is that younger people are not 'joiners'. Universities have far far fewer societies for freshers to join than 40 or 50 years ago, and all sorts of voluntary organisations are shrinking or folding for the same reason.

The average age of a Conservative supporter is probably much younger than the 57 suggested by Fullfacts, and it is not the only party with that problem, both labour and LibDems have decliningmemberships, even thoigh support for the party may be buoyant.

Since part of the problem with the selection of the last 2 leaders of both major political parties has been that the candidate the parliamentary party knows would be most effective as leader of the party in parliament and on the international stage, has lost out to someone else preferred by the party membership. Surely that aspect of the election needs to be ditched, to replace it with a system that takes into account Labour voter preferences and make the decision by MPs the final part of the process. The samething applies to the Conservatives.

Average age of Tory Party membership is estimated at 57.

It also found that all major parties have a similar average age, which is in the fifties.

fullfact.org/news/how-old-average-conservative-party-member/

I refer to the elevation of Liz Trust; only in power through a small vote - mainly the over 60's, white and male.
This is undemoncratic imo.
Then she starts to wallop the poor. Very bad optically if nothing else.

M0nica

Boz stop just automatically blaming the elderly comfortably off for all that is wrong wth the Conservative party. It just mental laziness and a faiure to understand the problem.

All the constituencies in the rust belt were not packed with the eldely and comfortably off, just to start with.

But that is the tory membership's demographic, MOnica and they voted for her.

But 'the rust belt' ?

Have we been transported to the US already?

Boz stop just automatically blaming the elderly comfortably off for all that is wrong wth the Conservative party. It just mental laziness and a faiure to understand the problem.

All the constituencies in the rust belt were not packed with the eldely and comfortably off, just to start with.

The Tories are fighting against the current zeitgeist. The Spirit of the Age is against them.
Why should a nonentity like Truss tell us what to do with the paltry endorsement she has from her own Party?
Why should the elderly, comfortably off, rule the roost?
Get real Jemina Cluster-fuck and eff orf.

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Callistemon21

MaizieD

Callistemon21

But Johnson got rid of the decent ones.
Some are still there, as I said sidelined or threatened with having the Whip removed

But if they remove the whip from too many the tories lose their majority...

I understand that sufficient MPs were rebelling so as to make that a distinct possibility.

Have you seen the post about hung parliament?

Yes.

But that is what the Chairman Jake Berry threatened a couple of days ago if they voted against Kwarteng's mini-Budget!

That is probably why they backtracked on the 45p tax rate - not because they were "listening" but because they were panicking the rest of it wouldn't go through and they would be made to look like incompetent idiots in the first weeks of power.

They are panicking.

I don't think they'll get anything through that they want to. Truss doesn't have the support of her MPs.

Apparently (according to Gavin Barwell, MP, on twitter,) tory MPs have now been threatened with a General Election if they don't toe the line ???

Bring

It

On....

Looks as if there will be a third u-turn.

UC to be risen in line with inflation.

The third coup

MaizieD

Callistemon21

But Johnson got rid of the decent ones.
Some are still there, as I said sidelined or threatened with having the Whip removed

But if they remove the whip from too many the tories lose their majority...

I understand that sufficient MPs were rebelling so as to make that a distinct possibility.

Have you seen the post about hung parliament?

Yes.

But that is what the Chairman Jake Berry threatened a couple of days ago if they voted against Kwarteng's mini-Budget!

That is probably why they backtracked on the 45p tax rate - not because they were "listening" but because they were panicking the rest of it wouldn't go through and they would be made to look like incompetent idiots in the first weeks of power.

Grieve had the whip removed. Unlike Braverman, when he was Attorney General he that believed in adhering to the law of the land. Not what Johnson wanted in his MP’s. He was a thoroughly decent MP and was treated badly by his party.

Well she would say that wouldn’t she! Grieve also left of his own accord.

He got rid of Soames too. I think there was more to Grieve than not giving him a job. Didn’t you he throw him out of the party? Soubry was on tv this morning ( I didn’t see it but DH told me about it) and said the only person she trusts to run the country is Starmer.

Well you’ve only named one that Johnson got rid of (ie didn’t give him a job). You mention two others who have decided to leave. That’s why I said it was a sweeping statement.

Germanshepherdsmum

A bit of a sweeping statement MayBee.

He got rid of Grieve. He’s a decent man and he was treated badly. Rory has left the party. Anna wouldn’t serve under him. If the remaining ones are decent they still follow the party whip and their voting records are appalling. Tugendhat, who I thought was a good guy then supported Truss and got himself a cabinet post.

If she turned once she can be turned again. Go to it, you one nation Tories. Get rid of the tax reductions. Get mortgages back to where they were before the incompetents made a mess.

Callistemon21

^But Johnson got rid of the decent ones.^
Some are still there, as I said sidelined or threatened with having the Whip removed

But if they remove the whip from too many the tories lose their majority...

I understand that sufficient MPs were rebelling so as to make that a distinct possibility.

Have you seen the post about hung parliament?

But Johnson got rid of the decent ones.
Some are still there, as I said sidelined or threatened with having the Whip removed

A bit of a sweeping statement MayBee.

Casdon

MayBee70

Whitewavemark2

Gordon Brown

@GordonBrown
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It’s all there in Britannia Unchained, co-authored by Liz Truss and Kwarteng: the pound can collapse, borrowing and mortgages can soar, pensioners can freeze, kids can go hungry, as long as the economy is ripe for venture capitalists freed from regulation and, ideally, tax.

He even said in his speech yesterday ‘the plan from ten years ago’ then, realising he’d slipped up said ‘ ten days ago’. It was a Freudian slip. What they’re doing now has been planned for a long time. They’re doing it in full sight of the electorate and still people say there’s no alternative. The only reason fellow Conservatives are turning against Truss and Kwarteng is because they can see power slipping away from them. This country is in such a mess that we’re currently living under the threat of nuclear war and we’re too tired and stressed to even worry about it.

I think you’ve been a bit harsh in saying the only reason other Tory MPs are turning away is because they can see power slipping away - to be fair I think there are still some moderate right Tories hanging in there, who genuinely don’t agree with the far right agenda now being pursued. As you know, I’m not a Tory, but I think we should be even handed when apportioning the blame for this disaster.

I would have agreed with that at one time. But Johnson got rid of the decent ones.

There certainly are a good many decent Conservatives but as parliament hasn’t been sitting we haven’t heard much from them. We shall, I have no doubt.

He even said in his speech yesterday ‘the plan from ten years ago’ then, realising he’d slipped up said ‘ ten days ago’

Yes, I heard that.

I'm sure there are some decent Tories out there but they've been sidelined and the only power remaining to them is to vote with the Opposition against these proposals.

MayBee70

Whitewavemark2

Gordon Brown

@GordonBrown
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20m
It’s all there in Britannia Unchained, co-authored by Liz Truss and Kwarteng: the pound can collapse, borrowing and mortgages can soar, pensioners can freeze, kids can go hungry, as long as the economy is ripe for venture capitalists freed from regulation and, ideally, tax.

He even said in his speech yesterday ‘the plan from ten years ago’ then, realising he’d slipped up said ‘ ten days ago’. It was a Freudian slip. What they’re doing now has been planned for a long time. They’re doing it in full sight of the electorate and still people say there’s no alternative. The only reason fellow Conservatives are turning against Truss and Kwarteng is because they can see power slipping away from them. This country is in such a mess that we’re currently living under the threat of nuclear war and we’re too tired and stressed to even worry about it.

I think you’ve been a bit harsh in saying the only reason other Tory MPs are turning away is because they can see power slipping away - to be fair I think there are still some moderate right Tories hanging in there, who genuinely don’t agree with the far right agenda now being pursued. As you know, I’m not a Tory, but I think we should be even handed when apportioning the blame for this disaster.

Whitewavemark2

Gordon Brown

@GordonBrown
·
20m
It’s all there in Britannia Unchained, co-authored by Liz Truss and Kwarteng: the pound can collapse, borrowing and mortgages can soar, pensioners can freeze, kids can go hungry, as long as the economy is ripe for venture capitalists freed from regulation and, ideally, tax.

He even said in his speech yesterday ‘the plan from ten years ago’ then, realising he’d slipped up said ‘ ten days ago’. It was a Freudian slip. What they’re doing now has been planned for a long time. They’re doing it in full sight of the electorate and still people say there’s no alternative. The only reason fellow Conservatives are turning against Truss and Kwarteng is because they can see power slipping away from them. This country is in such a mess that we’re currently living under the threat of nuclear war and we’re too tired and stressed to even worry about it.