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So, are we all enemies of the state now?

(182 Posts)
DaisyAnne Wed 05-Oct-22 19:08:40

Labour
Lib Dems
the SNP
the militant unions
the vested interests dressed up as think-tanks
the talking heads
the Brexit deniers
Extinction Rebellion
and some of the people we had in the hall earlier
People on Twitter
People with North London townhouses
People who broadcast
People who podcast

These people are all anti-growth, according to Ms Truss. It's a standard extremist cry of "everyone's out of step but me."

So, no, Liz Truss. I am pro-growth, but not your sort of growth. Not growth for the very rich and your pals in the city while the poorest struggle to get by. I think there will be others who feel they see "growth" differently to that of a PM with no mandate to put hers through, too.

MaizieD Thu 06-Oct-22 09:14:31

Whitewavemark2

MaizieD

There's even a T-Shirt for us. Someone saw a fine opportunity to grow their business?

www.balconyshirts.co.uk/shop/view_product/Anti-Growth-Coalition-T-Shirt-Regular?n=17831301

Is there an extra large??

Sizes appear to go up to 44/48".
I don't have any connection with them, honest ?

I do admire the way businesses seize an opportunity. I hope that Truss admires this one ??

NotSpaghetti Thu 06-Oct-22 09:09:26

The irony of it!
You couldn't make it up.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 06-Oct-22 09:07:37

MaizieD

There's even a T-Shirt for us. Someone saw a fine opportunity to grow their business?

www.balconyshirts.co.uk/shop/view_product/Anti-Growth-Coalition-T-Shirt-Regular?n=17831301

Is there an extra large??

MaizieD Thu 06-Oct-22 09:04:56

There's even a T-Shirt for us. Someone saw a fine opportunity to grow their business?

www.balconyshirts.co.uk/shop/view_product/Anti-Growth-Coalition-T-Shirt-Regular?n=17831301

Galaxy Thu 06-Oct-22 08:51:19

Does she realise she herself is on Twitter. Mind I suspect many many Tories are beginning to think she is an enemy of the state.

Casdon Thu 06-Oct-22 08:46:12

maddyone

^The current PM……….could be far more dangerous than her predecessor.^

Oh yes indeed. Be careful what you wish for.

I don’t think many people wished for her at all to be fair maddyone.

maddyone Thu 06-Oct-22 08:32:44

The current PM……….could be far more dangerous than her predecessor.

Oh yes indeed. Be careful what you wish for.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 06-Oct-22 08:29:30

It occurs to me that identifying most of the counntry as the enemy is not a particularly intelligent thing to do.

Everyone now understands that Truss is not gunning for them but a tiny minority, mostly the vastly wealthy.

She also tried to identify with white van man and hairdressers.? My hairdresser will have something to say about that I’m sure.

MayBee70 Thu 06-Oct-22 08:27:02

In his blog Rory Stewart says he thinks Truss and Kwarteng want to turn this country into a Singapore type economy.

growstuff Thu 06-Oct-22 00:00:22

There are cases where unpopular government measures could be effective for the country as a whole, but Truss has failed to show how the measures in the mini-budget would be effective.

One example might be government investment in a battery research and manufacturing plant, preferably in an area with high unemployment and a history of engineering (the North East?)

growstuff Wed 05-Oct-22 23:54:10

Has Truss said anywhere what kind of growth she envisages?

growstuff Wed 05-Oct-22 23:52:16

M0nica

Yes, she is more stupid because she is just a glove puppet for those who call the shots, and most of them do not live in this country.

I think going for growth, unless it is in industries that will help reduce global warming and be environmentally friendly is going to kill us us all. Why not an enriched economy rather that a rich economy.

Somebody told me about an article in the FT about American (and other foreign) influence on Truss. I don't have access to the FT, so I can't read the article, but it makes sense.

Truss and Kwarteng have been heavily influenced by American think tanks and big corporations. The ideas for growth with low taxes might work in America, which has a massive internal market and spare manufacturing capacity. Those ideas can't just be transposed to a UK context.

growstuff Wed 05-Oct-22 23:47:23

welbeck

is it ok to be north london if you don't live in a townhouse. ?
is it the style of housing or the location that is most damning, i wonder.

North London has some of the poorest boroughs in the country. I guess they'd be OK if they didn't belong to one of the other categories.

Chocolatelovinggran Wed 05-Oct-22 21:41:28

If Liz Truss and her Chancellor are the state, I'm happy to be an enemy of the state.
I can't afford a North London townhouse.

vegansrock Wed 05-Oct-22 21:32:43

She’s got a house in South London. So that’s alright then.

M0nica Wed 05-Oct-22 21:21:54

Yes, she is more stupid because she is just a glove puppet for those who call the shots, and most of them do not live in this country.

I think going for growth, unless it is in industries that will help reduce global warming and be environmentally friendly is going to kill us us all. Why not an enriched economy rather that a rich economy.

Skydancer Wed 05-Oct-22 21:16:24

How do we sustain growth on a planet with finite resources?

Whitewavemark2 Wed 05-Oct-22 21:06:34

Just listening to Rory Stewart. He agrees with you.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 05-Oct-22 20:48:08

Words are cheap Whitewavemark2

Deeds and actions are what a government, any government should be judged on and remembered for.

The current PM in my opinion could be far more dangerous than her predecessor.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 05-Oct-22 20:34:02

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavenark2 when I said I judged deeds not word’s perhaps I should have said I do not believe what the PM said in her speech.

Oh good oh - I thought you’d lost your good judgement??

DaisyAnne Wed 05-Oct-22 20:24:32

welbeck

is it ok to be north london if you don't live in a townhouse. ?
is it the style of housing or the location that is most damning, i wonder.

winkgrin

GrannyGravy13 Wed 05-Oct-22 20:10:12

Whitewavenark2 when I said I judged deeds not word’s perhaps I should have said I do not believe what the PM said in her speech.

Casdon Wed 05-Oct-22 20:05:42

She talks out of her a..e, I’m not taking any notice whatsoever, and I doubt the rest of the population is either.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 05-Oct-22 20:03:27

GrannyGravy13

A society that promotes growth for those who are able along with a support network for those who aren’t.

I judge deeds and actions not words.

But everyone wants growth for goodness sake!

It is nothing special. Who on earth is going to stand up and say she doesn’t believe in growth.

Starmer promised growth last week. But growth with cooperation. Growth with green credentials and growth without disharmony.

God knows we need a period of strength and harmony.

What Truss promised was more disruption, (her words) more identifying the enemy. And tactics of shock and awe, which has been shelved but not gone away.

But what is clear now is the blue water between both her and Starmer. People have a real choice.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 05-Oct-22 19:51:06

A society that promotes growth for those who are able along with a support network for those who aren’t.

I judge deeds and actions not words.