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Social Capitalism according to Gove and which party really does represent the UK?

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DaisyAnne Fri 07-Oct-22 12:38:43

I have got behind in reading my emails this week and doing a catch-up read about M. Gove:

Michael Gove is traipsing the conference fringe circuit, charming the party faithful with his wit. He appeared at one event on Sunday to discuss “social capitalism”, which stresses the importance of social infrastructure – charities and voluntary groups, parks and town halls – in promoting economic growth and binding the country together. He argued that his party had lent too far into liberalism and neglected its conservative roots. (Source: The Economist)

Add to this a statistic I heard, (someone may know more about this) which said that the majority in the UK are economically left of centre, but also the majority (may not be all the same people) are socially conservative.

Politicians and activists talk and think in terms of left-wing and right-wing but how useful is that for the general public? And where does social capital fit in?

growstuff Sat 08-Oct-22 10:56:14

The UK’s economy is more regionally unbalanced than any other large wealthy country, and Covid-19 has amplified the injustice. But it’s not at all clear what the government thinks should be done to revive Blackpool, or Scunthorpe. Those who have sat in Whitehall meetings have despaired at the lack of imagination beyond centrally controlled funding for bus routes and railways, and what looks suspiciously like a pork-barrel fund for sprucing up high streets. An awful lot of money could be wasted, as everyone frenziedly tries to second-guess Johnson: councils are pitching their pet projects to get funds, and government departments are inventing “Levelling Up” initiatives to please Number 10, without knowing what they are trying to solve.

Gove is Johnson’s best hope of making sense out of this sprawling agenda. He is a seasoned reformer, by far the most effective minister in the Cabinet, who tackles problems with intellectual analysis and a cheerful insistence on facing-down vested interests. He has made many enemies, especially in the teaching profession, but he also has many quiet fans in the civil service, including the Treasury, and former aides dotted around Number 10 and the Cabinet Office.

Gove has wasted no time. His new team includes Neil O’Brien, the Hanborough MP and former aide to George Osborne, Andy Haldane, the former Bank of England economist and labour market expert who has criticised the government’s over-reliance on infrastructure, and Danny Kruger, the Tory MP who believes that families and communities matter as much to life chances as bricks and mortar.

All four share a conviction that Whitehall is over-centralised. This was part of the agenda behind the creation of the Policy Exchange think-tank, of which Michael Gove was the founding chairman and Neil O’Brien the second director. This matters, because true levelling up can’t be delivered from a desk in Whitehall. Johnson will have to balance his reluctance to cede ground to the left, against the need to devolve more power to mayors and councils. I wouldn’t be surprised to see government give some councils full control of business rates and more powers over, for example, health and care. But it should also empower the faith groups, charities and social enterprises who see the crime, the hopelessness and the struggles first-hand.

Real levelling up is about people not places. The current language of place — north versus south — risks alienating southern voters who fear their money is being funnelled to white elephants elsewhere; and it overlooks the fact that disadvantage is not confined to the Red Wall, nor ubiquitous within it. You can also throw money at infrastructure and skills without having lasting effects.

The missing ingredient could be the “social capital” made famous by the Harvard professor Robert Putnam in his book “Bowling Alone”, which tracked the decline of American clubs and youth groups. “Economic data can only take us so far in understanding regional disparities” Haldane said two years ago in a speech in Newcastle. “Social data and social narratives are crucial too”. When Haldane defined “left behind” to include not just low earnings but few parks, playgrounds or football clubs, he found a much higher correlation with voting Brexit.

Health also matters. A boy born in Richmond upon Thames in Southern England today can expect eighteen more years of healthy life than one born in Blackpool in the North — and there’s an eight-year gap in life expectancy within affluent and deprived parts of places such as York. We are seeing an epidemic of chronic disease linked to poor housing, poor diets and insecure work. Economists assume that health will improve if growth picks up, but sustained medical help is also needed.

PS. I've put some bits in bold because I think they're really important.

growstuff Sat 08-Oct-22 10:47:38

It must have been my one free article a month. I've saved it but it's a breach of copyright to paste. I'll have a go at a summary.

It was written in 2021 by Camilla Cavendish, a former head of the Number 10 Policy Unit and a Harvard senior fellow.

Watch this space!

Whitewavemark2 Sat 08-Oct-22 10:43:08

growstuff!! Don’t want to see you as a fertiliser?

Whitewavemark2 Sat 08-Oct-22 10:42:24

Can you give a precise of the FT growmore please?

growstuff Sat 08-Oct-22 10:39:57

Does anybody have a link to what Gove himself has said about "social capital"? My interpretation of what it means is different from what people are discussing on this thread.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 08-Oct-22 09:46:41

growstuff

I hope this FT article from 2021 isn't behind a paywall:

www.ft.com/content/9548ceab-84a3-4473-8ede-9749316995e2

It begins to explain what Gove means by "social capitalism".

Behind a paywall.

Mamie Sat 08-Oct-22 09:30:57

Yes you are right about Thatcher Maizie. I can only speak for the education reforms in the 80s and 90s which did bring a lot more money to the LEA for school improvement.
That all disappeared from 2010.

MaizieD Sat 08-Oct-22 08:34:13

Mamie

I think it was always obvious that from 2010 the Conservatives set out to destroy the power of Local Government WWM2.

It was Thatcher who had a declared aim of destroying local government and who worked towards centralisation in the name of 'efficiency'. Remember the rate cap on local councils and increasing dependence on central funding? The enforced sale of council housing with councils not allowed to use the proceeds to build new stock? Remember the National Curriculum which removed local authorities' ability to tailor curricula to the needs of local communities? Privatisation of regionally run utilities?

I'm not saying that these were good or bad moves (she lied ?) but their effect was centralisation or removal of powers/responsibilities.

Mamie Sat 08-Oct-22 08:14:31

I think it was always obvious that from 2010 the Conservatives set out to destroy the power of Local Government WWM2.

Mamie Sat 08-Oct-22 08:12:16

Interestingly DH and I were only 0.2 apart on both measures. ?

growstuff Sat 08-Oct-22 07:51:24

I hope this FT article from 2021 isn't behind a paywall:

www.ft.com/content/9548ceab-84a3-4473-8ede-9749316995e2

It begins to explain what Gove means by "social capitalism".

Whitewavemark2 Sat 08-Oct-22 07:25:31

I think that there is always a space for community and local authorities, the problem is to thrive they need funding and this is what has been severely cut over the past decade.

Mamie Sat 08-Oct-22 07:23:47

Same as Growstuff, Maizie and WWM2 here. ?
It took me a while after moving here to understand that France is a deeply socialist country in the broadest sense, despite political leaders of different hue.
Local and regional government is very strong; I was elected to our local council in a very small village and saw at first hand how the role of the Maire is fundamental in local government and liaison with regional and national tiers.
There are charitable groups, but I think people would be shocked to think that this could be any kind of substitute for the role of the state in education, health and social care.
As a citizen you have a duty to support the state and its people and a right to be supported.
It is by no means perfect in execution, but the fundamental values of liberty, equality and fraternity are the right ones in my view.

DaisyAnne Fri 07-Oct-22 22:28:42

MaizieD

I'd be really interested to know where this guy is on the scale.

(I think he's fighting a losing battle)

twitter.com/jemmaforte/status/1578072174568652809

Can we adopt him?

DaisyAnne Fri 07-Oct-22 22:22:54

MaizieD

^How Gove thinks charities and volunteers are going to help economic growth I have no idea, does he.^

Wasn't that Cameron's Big Idea all those years ago?

I can see a glimmer of the concept that I believe DaisyAnne favours, that of far more community involvement in making decisions and implementing them, but I don't think it's based on expecting charities and volunteers to fill the yawning gaps left by cutting public expenditure in services to ensure the health and wellbeing of the population. There is always a place for charities and volunteers, but not as a second welfare state.

You have assessed my views well Maizie. I do think there should be more decision making (and carrying out) from the ground up rather from the government down. With some obvious exceptions of course. There does seem to be some talk of revision within the Labour Party, including of the upper house. I will be interesting to see what they come up with. I think volunteering is great but not to cover for deliberate scything of budgets. (I don't like the fragmenting of budgets, so the knock-on effects are covered up until they happen, either - but that's a debate for another day smile)

I would argue with some of the questions in the Political Compass Test, but by their estimate I came out slap on Caroline Lucas's face.

MaizieD Fri 07-Oct-22 20:52:12

growstuff

Simon Jenkins in the Guardian has an article today suggesting that Gove become caretaker PM. It wouldn't surprise me if Gove thinks the same way.

I got round to reading Jenkin's article. One thing he omitted to mention was that Gove was a key figure in the lying and fraudulent campaign to leave the EU. He bears a great deal of responsibility for the current mess and the UK's economic decline.

Not an attractive prospect...

Whitewavemark2 Fri 07-Oct-22 17:31:30

Same as growstuff and maizie

No surprise.

MaizieD Fri 07-Oct-22 17:05:44

I'd be really interested to know where this guy is on the scale.

(I think he's fighting a losing battle)

twitter.com/jemmaforte/status/1578072174568652809

MaizieD Fri 07-Oct-22 16:59:11

I'm not savvy enough to reproduce a certificate on here, but I'm in much the same position as growstuff, just a wee bit higher up.

I'm not surprised.

MaizieD Fri 07-Oct-22 16:47:02

LauraNorderr

Well who knew!

Welcome to the Dark Side LauraNorder grin

Chocolatelovinggran Fri 07-Oct-22 15:52:36

Thanks Doodledog- interesting quiz, and interesting seeing others results. I do agree that defiance is sometimes the only way to challenge the ( unfair) status quo.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 07-Oct-22 15:39:15

Them!?

Whitewavemark2 Fri 07-Oct-22 15:36:59

Crowd sourcing is the modern form of charity. But the issue with it is that it isn’t available to everyone and it is very hit and miss. That is true of all charities.

The country recognised in the 30s that the only way to provide a real and dependable support system that operates as fairly as possible is that provided by the state.

eleothan is right when she says that change is nearly always brought about by struggle or war and radical policies.

Goves ideal of social capitalism reminds me of England in them films, an ideal that is both charming but simply not rooted in real life.

LauraNorderr Fri 07-Oct-22 15:30:44

Well who knew!

growstuff Fri 07-Oct-22 15:18:24

Simon Jenkins in the Guardian has an article today suggesting that Gove become caretaker PM. It wouldn't surprise me if Gove thinks the same way.