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Should the Coronation be “slimmed down”?

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sarahcyn Sun 09-Oct-22 12:18:43

A year ago I would have said definitely we do not want a coronation for Charles anything like Elizabeth’s.
But looking at how uplifting for people across the nation Elizabeth’s funeral was - I’m starting to think differently. I wonder if actually the coronation might be an opportunity to celebrate what Britain does best, solidarity with the Commonwealth, diversity and whatnot.
I don’t know - just feeling it could be a chance for cheering us up - blending some amazing traditions which we only see once in a lifetime with a forward looking spirit - oh I don’t know.
I’d be very interested in what others think.

Grany Sun 09-Oct-22 14:09:10

They might reduce the number of royals, but the cost of the monarchy will continue to rise. Fewer royals, more money for Charles and William.

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MaizieD Sun 09-Oct-22 14:10:24

Well, I tried, volver grin

If people are going to object to the cost perhaps they'd like to tell me where they think the money all goes?

^ Who's going to pay for the impacts of the policing that won't be done because they've all gone to London for the day?^

I haven't seen any reports of a crimewave caused by their absence for the Queen's funeral. Have you? I'm sure that Grany would have told us all about it...

volver Sun 09-Oct-22 14:14:29

I'm not getting into a discussion about the way the economy works with you MaizieD - I'd definitely lose!

For me, it's not the money that matters. It's the fact we have an unelected HoS who thinks he has been chosen by God because of who his mum was. Any major event in any city is going to raise money, isn't it? Bring on Eurovision!! grin Or we could have a big celebration to mark becoming a republic wink

MaizieD Sun 09-Oct-22 14:25:53

Any major event in any city is going to raise money, isn't it?

Of course it is, volver. And we can't afford to be too sniffy about what the event is. Unless, of course, it's harmful to us.

(Which I realise could start another debate...)

Whitewavemark2 Sun 09-Oct-22 14:31:16

One thing for sure the London hotels, restaurants, theatres etc also the Television revenue, will benefit from it. But of course it is once again London centred.

I’m on the fence with the rest if you.

Philippa111 Sun 09-Oct-22 14:33:27

Personally I think its outrageous going to all the expense to create the preposterous pomp for a spectacle that lasts for one day, and then everyone has to get right back to the reality of their own lives... and for many right now that is a very poor existence indeed.

How about instead of wasting all that money, have a very simple service and give those with absolutely nothing some support as a 'Kings' Gift' out of their own billions.

Personally I'd like them to be totally pared back and be like the royals in other countries. Living in simple flats, living lives like the rest of us, paying tax and not perpetuating the 'us and them', 'haves and have nots' unequal society that is our country.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 09-Oct-22 14:36:29

Philippa111

Personally I think its outrageous going to all the expense to create the preposterous pomp for a spectacle that lasts for one day, and then everyone has to get right back to the reality of their own lives... and for many right now that is a very poor existence indeed.

How about instead of wasting all that money, have a very simple service and give those with absolutely nothing some support as a 'Kings' Gift' out of their own billions.

Personally I'd like them to be totally pared back and be like the royals in other countries. Living in simple flats, living lives like the rest of us, paying tax and not perpetuating the 'us and them', 'haves and have nots' unequal society that is our country.

That is an argument that is difficult to argue against.

BlueBelle Sun 09-Oct-22 14:39:56

Yes it should be slimmed down and the Royal family should be massively slimmed down and I think the funeral was way over the top and way too much and way too ostentatious

Farzanah Sun 09-Oct-22 15:14:53

Parsley3

Will Charles be anointed to show that he is chosen by God? I have read that this symbolic element was important to the late Queen.

Firstly I believe a lavish coronation would send out completely the wrong message to a large number of the population in the current economic climate, struggling with heating, food and mortgage bills, and in all probability for the foreseeable future.

Secondly I think that Parsley raises an important point. Britain is far more diverse and secular than when the Queen came to the throne, and I believe it is inappropriate for a “God ordained” monarchy in the 21st century. This probably deserves a separate thread so won’t develop further.

Aspen Sun 09-Oct-22 15:49:25

Will the golden coach be trundled out!?

Anniebach Sun 09-Oct-22 16:05:27

If they move into flats , high rise or over a shop ? would the other tenants be comfortable with security

volver Sun 09-Oct-22 16:10:13

They won't need security because they won't be working royals any more. That's how it works, isn't it?

Anniebach Sun 09-Oct-22 16:13:41

Harry and Megan don’t agree with you

volver Sun 09-Oct-22 16:17:23

Well them's the rules. No security for She Who Must Not Be Named, then none for Eddie and his wife over the shop.

Anniebach Sun 09-Oct-22 16:19:10

They live in their own house

volver Sun 09-Oct-22 16:23:57

But you asked what would happen if they moved...??

Oh, never mind. ??

lemsip Sun 09-Oct-22 16:25:33

Anniebach

If they move into flats , high rise or over a shop ? would the other tenants be comfortable with security

oh for goodness sake!

M0nica Sun 09-Oct-22 16:27:59

I thought it had been agreed years ago, if not decades ago, that King Charles' coronation would be slimmed down.

Anniebach Sun 09-Oct-22 16:28:40

I didn’t say they should move into simple flats

Urmstongran Sun 09-Oct-22 16:41:51

I think Charles wants to capture the mood of the people. He knows the monarchy needs to slim down. He’s said it for years. It’s bloated and sclerotic and he’s aware that to survive it needs to stay (more) relevant to a modern society. If the populace rebel about the institution the axe will eventually fall. He’s read the room I think.

biglouis Sun 09-Oct-22 16:53:26

I am massively in favour of cutting out all the religious mumbo jumbo and having a simple inauguration ceremony similar to that held in some other consitutional monarchies such as Sweden, Spain and the Netherlands. The UK is no longer a Christian country but one of many faiths and no faith so the ceremony should be a civil one. Heads of State are no longer "chosen by god". Charles I came to a sticky end believing that one! He was beheaded.

biglouis Sun 09-Oct-22 17:02:09

How much more tax payers money is going to be wasted on this bizarre carnival of stuffed puppets?

Grany Sun 09-Oct-22 17:07:33

What is a coronation putting a crown on Head.

That's for fairy tales. Kings Queen's Princes Princesses ? that's where it should stay.

But propaganda keeps people believing

I don't.

King don't represent the people just the polititions and the monarchy. Who makes sure the laws of our unwritten constitution are kept? Not the king.

NotTooOld Sun 09-Oct-22 17:19:53

Urmstongran

I think Charles wants to capture the mood of the people. He knows the monarchy needs to slim down. He’s said it for years. It’s bloated and sclerotic and he’s aware that to survive it needs to stay (more) relevant to a modern society. If the populace rebel about the institution the axe will eventually fall. He’s read the room I think.

Can't disagree with that.
Yes, slim it down by all means but I would be sorry if we lost too many of our ancient traditions so, Duke of Norfolk, be very careful what's lost and what's included.