Should the Coronation be “slimmed down”?

leeds22

Maybe the (slimmed down) Coronation could be in York Minster? Bringing levelling up income to the North.
At the same time King Charles could cancel the title of Duke of York from the records.

Good idea!

I'm a monarchist but I'm happy to have a less ostentatious coronation. A service lasting 4 or 5 hours is just too long. However, I was too small to properly remember the last coronation and didn't get to London to see the Queen lying in state. DH has suggested we go for the coronation and I'm really looking forward to it.

What all the folk who are against a coronation seem to forget is that there are monarchists in all strata of society, from the very rich to the very poor. Even those struggling to cope might like something cheerful to look forward to. And you miserable lot would do us all out of it!

Moreover, the slimming-down of the monarchy started in the last reign. There's no reason to suppose that it won't continue in this one.

A very good point!

Agree completely.

Charles will want everything he believes is his due. He won’t be slimming down anything within his extravagant lifestyle.

Bah Humbug!!!!
I took my grandson to Windsor for the day, we watched the changing of the guard from Windsor castle, there were lots of people from all over the world watching plus a lot of British people, spending their money on hotels, transport, souvenirs, food.
I would not like to see a slimmed down coronation, I believe it showcases what the british do best. It would be uplifting for our country.

As Phillipa111 states 'These people are in privileged positions today because in the past their ancestors used power to oppress others, were extremely callous and cruel and also stole wealth.. ie took things that didn't belong to them.'

This could be said of every country in the world, and looking back through history, cruelty and rich taking from poor or others, went right back to the birth of humans! We should be looking forward, and not dwelling on past cruelty for Britain.

The Royal Family may represent a bygone era but they do a lot of good and I want to keep them!!!

If you want to concern yourselves with callousness and cruelty, you should look at the slavery that STILL happens today in the world and not worry about history. We are happy to buy most of our goods from China, who have appalling record of cruelty.
I am sorry that my ancestors were cruel and callous...no excusing them..... but they were not alone...

I do feel a bit pageantried-out right now. We had a ginormous jubilee week pageant, a ginormous funeral 10-day pageant and the thought of the same again at a coronation makes me want to go to bed. And would it even attract a load of tourists anyway or are they all pageantried-out too?

A coronation is the last thing we need. I get that the Queen needed a good sendoff after her lifetime on the throne, but why do we "need" a coronation? I agree Eurovision Song Contest could bring people together even more so. Do people want to spend spend money on tea towels and mugs? Alcohol and crisps? They get sold anyway. Do people really need an excuse to get trollied down the pub?

Maybe the (slimmed down) Coronation could be in York Minster? Bringing levelling up income to the North.
At the same time King Charles could cancel the title of Duke of York from the records.

We do pageantry best, it brings in multi millions of pounds, and shows us at our best around the world. After the political twaddle recently, I think we need a good coronation, but whether small of large iveno idea.

I personally would do a way with it. We are not having an investiture for William as Prince of Wales.

We don't need a coronation. Charles was sworn in the day after as King in Buckingham grounds. There is no need for anything more.

With millions of people in fuel and food poverty the majority of us having to tighten up because of the cost of living, it isn't needed.

I think the idea that the coronation will bring in money to the country is questionable. It would need careful costing by an independent agency. Personally I doubt if the overall benefit is that great and even if it is it, will it come back quickly enough to help us with the urgency needed? Plus the fact that such a display is a kind of insult to all those who will be in dire financial trouble this winter. That is NOW and if we are truly civilised we should prioritise looking after the needy. So I'm in favour of slimmed down - strikes a more suitable note.

Philippa111

I think it's not about how much is spent or how much grandiosity is or isn't on show so much as understanding what the royal family actually represents and the beliefs and behaviours it perpetuates.

These people are in privileged positions today because in the past their ancestors used power to oppress others, were extremely callous and cruel and also stole wealth.. ie took things that didn't belong to them.

Obviously they are here now and it's no fault of their own at this point but purely an accident of birth. And as individuals I only wish them good health and much happiness but let them now step down from their ill gotten ivory towers and live lives like others.

I agree with this too.

An extremely sli med down coronation would be appropriate

Philippa111

I think it's not about how much is spent or how much grandiosity is or isn't on show so much as understanding what the royal family actually represents and the beliefs and behaviours it perpetuates.

These people are in privileged positions today because in the past their ancestors used power to oppress others, were extremely callous and cruel and also stole wealth.. ie took things that didn't belong to them.

Obviously they are here now and it's no fault of their own at this point but purely an accident of birth. And as individuals I only wish them good health and much happiness but let them now step down from their ill gotten ivory towers and live lives like ot

I have to agree with this.

I think it's not about how much is spent or how much grandiosity is or isn't on show so much as understanding what the royal family actually represents and the beliefs and behaviours it perpetuates.

These people are in privileged positions today because in the past their ancestors used power to oppress others, were extremely callous and cruel and also stole wealth.. ie took things that didn't belong to them.

Obviously they are here now and it's no fault of their own at this point but purely an accident of birth. And as individuals I only wish them good health and much happiness but let them now step down from their ill gotten ivory towers and live lives like others.

I'm looking forward to whatever the King decides is best for the coronation and I shall certainly watch it. The number of people we saw on the streets in the past few weeks demonstrate how popular royal events are. Celebrations like these do bring communities together and many businesses will have had a boost in income this year as a result of both the jubilee and the funeral.
I was on the village jubilee committee (and no doubt will be on the village coronation committee) and even in our small community a considerable amount of money (our own, none of it 'tax payer's money') was spent. Those who came along enjoyed the events and in many cases got to know their neighbours better. These are celebrations of ourselves, as communities and as a nation and we would be the poorer without them.
Those who don't want these things to happen are very vocal but the vast majority will be looking forward to the celebrations.

Swedish king apparently thought coronations were out of date. In 1873.

Re coronations: @MartynPercy reminds us that the UK is the only European monarchy to have one. ?? not since 1849; ?? dropped it in 1873; ?? 1906. ???? and modern?? never had one.

Backward Britain.

Cost of funera,l now cost of coronation ? Do monarchy every pay for anything?

All geared to the rich don't matter about anyone else especially the conservative governments of past 12 years.

Why bother having one at all? It’s completely made up jumbo jumbo. He could get the crown plonked on his head and a few prayers by the Archbishop in his private chapel. Totally unnecessary to have a massive ceremony . The military get paid anyway, but less overtime for the police maybe, so less cost to the taxpayer. Maybe the Chinese manufacturers of tea towels, mugs and associated tat would lose business. Shame.

Should be slimmed down but, a Coronation will be great for tourism so the splendid carriage (whatever it's called) would be an essential. Once the date is announced hotel bookings etc will rocket as for Eurovision, hopefully.

Given the parlous state of this country and the inequality all too obvious in our society, the Coronation should be a simpler and more heartfelt event. The high emotion of the Queen’s funeral can never be recaptured and it’s probably not appropriate to celebrate the present incarnation of our ‘great country’, but nods to ancient traditions may well stir up a sentiment which encourages us AND our political class to build on what made this country unique in former years. Or am I being too fanciful? Btw, although I am not a fervent royalist, I do see the political expediency of the monarchist system. There’s been enough problems with the Conservative Party leadership election. How that would translate into voting for a President and the establishment of a republic, I dread to think!

Depends on the cost...do people who are struggling financially want to see a lavish expensive display of pomp and ceremony ?

I think it should be slimmed do . It’s not that he will be king for long given his age 20 years at the most . Yes the pomp and ceremony the brits excel at but the cost with the financial problems we have in the country and the tax payer paying for it there are better areas the money could be spent

Well I am surprised. Anything Royal on GN generally gets a huge seal of approval but the majority posting here think a slimmed down coronation best option and quite a few supporting a slimmed down RF too.
Has RF popularity declined with demise of the Queen or is it just the present economic climate?

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MaizieD

Any major event in any city is going to raise money, isn't it?

Of course it is, volver. And we can't afford to be too sniffy about what the event is. Unless, of course, it's harmful to us.

(Which I realise could start another debate...)

I heard yesterday on the tv that Liverpool is already cashing in on Eurovision with hotel costs increasing dramatically and people having existing bookings cancelled! No doubt the same would happen in London for the coronation. Hospitality was hit very hard by the pandemic and maybe an opportunity to make a quick buck is what they deserve. No-one is obliged to spend their money that way but those who choose to are welcome as far as I'm concerned. If a few businesses and jobs are saved I'm all in favour.

Of course, we can't know for sure this country won't be involved in the war by then.