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Camilla to be crowned.

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Esspee Wed 12-Oct-22 08:03:12

I was prepared to ignore the coronation, but for Charles to insist that his now wife be crowned is beyond the pale in my opinion.
I realise there are a huge number of royalists on Gransnet but do any of you agree with me that she should not be crowned?

sazz1 Fri 14-Oct-22 13:12:42

They are both adulterers that ruined Diana's life. She could have ended the affair when he married but she carried on. He could have been faithful in his marriage also. Disgusting pair. She's the Queen of Tarts and he's the King of Adultery.
Diana's death made the way for him to marry her as a widower. Very convenient.

Hilly1 Fri 14-Oct-22 13:08:46

I don't mind her being crowned but she should not be anointed with holy oil. That should have disappeared when we got rid of the divine right of monarchs and adopted a constitutional monarchy.

Mollygo Fri 14-Oct-22 13:06:51

MawtheMerrier

Totally and unjustifiably offensive, not to mention uncalled-for .

If you mean the post at 12:59, I completely agree.

MawtheMerrier Fri 14-Oct-22 13:00:40

Totally and unjustifiably offensive, not to mention uncalled-for .

MissAdventure Fri 14-Oct-22 13:00:23

So anything Charles did is irrelevant, but Diana is still fair game to be criticised, all these years after her death?

avenance Fri 14-Oct-22 12:59:24

Charles is a spoilt Man-Child.

Camilla should NOT be crowned.
You cannot polish a turd

ruthiek Fri 14-Oct-22 12:58:39

We need to move on , Diana is dead , but even if she was alive she wouldn’t be be Queen , they divorced, tbh Charles made one mistake , not having the courage to ask Csmilla to marry him firstly . Diana went on to have many affairs .
Let’s be grateful we have someone who loves the King and will be by his side.
We have more problems to worry about

nanna8 Fri 14-Oct-22 12:52:49

Compared with the vast majority of British Kings and Princes Charles is a saint if you are looking for precedents. Certainly the last King Charles was a right randy old b., spawning kids all over the place with his mistresses.

Zetacatty Fri 14-Oct-22 12:52:46

It is perfectly normal for the kings wife to be crowned. They are following tradition. I think the only controversy here is the Indian diamond in the crown - which should be returned.

Anniebach Fri 14-Oct-22 12:50:46

Charles did not say he wanted to be a tampon Yammy

Keffie12 Fri 14-Oct-22 12:50:13

I don't want her crowned either. I always thought it should go to William and Kate and skip a generation. I'm not interested in the royals anymore. I said when the Quern went the monarchy should.

It's not going to happen so I will ignore. Incidently of the royal family my fave is H & M. That's another thread so I won't go there as to why

Yammy Fri 14-Oct-22 12:49:17

This will run and run, what kind of man wants to be a tampon? What kind of woman would want a man who wants to be her tampon?
Camilla is welcome to him and his tantrums and peculiar ways.
"Frankly my dears I don't give a damn ", as long as this country does not have to pay for all their pomp and circumstance.

Plunger Fri 14-Oct-22 12:45:24

How many here are divorced? How many have been in unhappy relationships? Let those without sin cast the first stone. Those in glass houses etc etc. Both Charles and Diana had affairs but it appears only Charles is castigated. Diana was no innocent and played the press letting them know in advance where she could be found. She loved the publicity when it suited her. Do you think they both should be trapped and miserable? Camilla has been the making of Charles. It is obvious he is a much happier person since getting together with her and she should be honoured as his wife.

Cambia Fri 14-Oct-22 12:44:01

My goodness does it really matter in the scale of things? So much going on in the world at the moment and we can still fall out over the trivial things. Live and let live.

volver Fri 14-Oct-22 12:39:05

MawtheMerrier

Fortunately Buckingham Palace is unlikely to consult the denizens of GN in their coronation planning.

There is a disturbing absence of awareness of historical precedent and far too much sentimental tosh being bounced around. tcrhmm

This ^^

Annewilko Fri 14-Oct-22 12:36:07

Lucca

Can’t work up the energy to be bothered. To me the whole coronation malarkey is an irrelevance

Snap!
We have more to be concerned about than all this nonsense.

grandtanteJE65 Fri 14-Oct-22 12:33:52

silverlining48

I accept Camilla as consort but see no reason why she should be crowned.
Philip wasn’t crowned why would she be.

In this day and age I am sure many of you will disagree with the traditional point of view, but here it is:

A woman when she marries takes her husband's rank.
This is clearly impossible when the woman is the heir to a throne, as the late Queen was when she married, so as there is no legal definition of the rank and status of a male consort of a female sovereign Phillip renounced his rights to the Greek and Danish thrones and was accorded the rank of Prince and created Duke of Edinburgh.

What exactly a man who marries a queen is entitled to causes trouble every time it occurs. Phillip II of Spain expected to be called King of England when he and Mary Tudor married and to excercise a husband's right to make decisions on behalf of his wife. Neither desire went down well with English nobility or commons.

The Dauphin Francis whom Mary Steward married demanded more or less the crown matrimonial of Scotland. The Scottish nobility saw no reason he should have it, and turned up in Paris to the wedding without it. Lord Darnley was not given it either nor was Bothwell.

Queen Victoria was miffed at the niggardly (her words not mine) grant parliament was prepared to make Prince Albert, but she certainly would have squashed any attempt on his part to call himself king.

Traditionally the legal wife of a king is crowned with him when he is crowned. There is not, and never has been any requirement that she should either be the king's first wife, or have been a virgin when she married him.

In both the German and Austrian empires there was a concept of morganatic marriage whereby the wife was not granted royal rank. - This was used when an Archduke, such as Franz Ferdinand married a noblewoman, but it has never been used in Britain.

Certainly, it has been said in our own time that Prince Henrik, the queen of Denmark's late consort was annoyed that he had not been given the title of king, but it seems this was as much senile dementia speaking as anything else.

Even Josephine Bonaparte succeeded in being crowned, which in her day was only possible because she persuaded the pope that she had always felt guilty that she and Napoleon had only married in a civil ceremony, and she in all haste somehow peruaded Napoleon to have a religious ceremony performed by a priest prior to the coronation.

Camilla and or Charles has sound legal precedent behind them, however old fashioned you may find it. It would frankly be an intorable insult to her if she was not.

HannahLoisLuke Fri 14-Oct-22 12:33:37

silverlining48

I accept Camilla as consort but see no reason why she should be crowned.
Philip wasn’t crowned why would she be.

That’s simply a constitutional matter. If the monarch is a man his wife can have the title if Queen consort. If, on the other the monarch is a woman, her husband cannot be crowned king, or even king consort as it would mean him outranking his wife, the sovereign.

Lizzie44 Fri 14-Oct-22 12:33:26

I don't care one way or another about Camilla being crowned. She seems to be a great support to Charles both personally and in terms of carrying out royal duties and therefore I think it should be her choice. If she wants a crown to validate her role let her have one.

MawtheMerrier Fri 14-Oct-22 12:32:00

Fortunately Buckingham Palace is unlikely to consult the denizens of GN in their coronation planning.

There is a disturbing absence of awareness of historical precedent and far too much sentimental tosh being bounced around. tcrhmm

ReadyMeals Fri 14-Oct-22 12:29:22

Polly7, yes I read that QE2 told Charles to ditch Camilla after his divorce so that he could make a fresh start. She was afraid people would not accept him as King with Camilla as his partner. And it's still true of some of us as I can see! Though they seem to be against Camilla and don't mind Charles being King even though he was just as responsible for Diana's unhappiness if not more so! I've never understood why it's always the woman that gets more of the blame.

lizzypopbottle Fri 14-Oct-22 12:28:31

I do think all the Diana hype that still goes on after 25 years is just weird but, of course, it sells papers and fills the TV news slots. Charles and Diana both had affairs and they divorced so he was not widowed, as a post up-thread suggested. Diana died before William and Kate married so she was never Kate's mother-in-law. They never had a relationship but some people refer to her as Kate's 'late mother-in-law'. Charles didn't set the paparazzi on Diana. As they would see it, she was fair game because of her lifestyle and the frenzy of Diana worship, which is still being milked today. Let the woman rest in peace.

This is my opinion. I'm sure GN moderators will remove any death threats! ?

Tinydancer Fri 14-Oct-22 12:26:30

Grantanow

Waste of time this discussion when the UK is in such a mess caused by Truss and Kwarteng.

I agree and it is about to be confirmed that Kwarteng has been sacked by Truss.

Polly7 Fri 14-Oct-22 12:18:35

infidelity/betrayal can be heartbreaking in any realm, but each circumstance vary but this isn’t the norm being discussed here
It’s basically a Royal Prince cheating on his new Princess from engagement
- It takes two! His vows to Di were empty and if he isn’t to be an example who ?
Vows seem old fashioned these days and flippant to some people
It’s reported the Queen told him to divorce and to get rid of his mistress too

OldRose Fri 14-Oct-22 12:17:51

Exactly, Jaberwok! I despair of the ignorance around our history and traditions. People don't have to agree with them, but at least know what you're arguing against!
George VI's wife was Queen Consort, she wasn't called that because it was blindingly obvious - she was the King's wife, not the Queen Regnant. I assumed Camilla was referred to as Queen Consort following the death of Elizabeth II to avoid confusion.

Oh, and I've been waiting for the howls of protest about Queen Camilla being crowned! ? She's good for King Charles, she's stuck it out, never complained, just soldiered on. Plenty of marriages fail, and no one really cares except those involved.

I like Charles, he's refreshing, and I think he behaved magnificently after the death of his mother. I believe he will be a good King , and Camilla, as Queen, will support him as she has for so long.

Good luck to both of them! ?