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So is Hunt the Prime minister in all but name?

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Whitewavemark2 Sat 15-Oct-22 07:35:00

It seems that he is Truss’s watchdog, or the CEO as a Tory described him. He will almost certainly become he main spokesperson, given Truss’s abysmal performance.

But it is clear that the Tories are completely split, and one wonders if they can ever form a United party.

The issue with Hunt imo is that he is closely associated with austerity - close to Cameron. Very distrusted by the doctors and nurses.

There is now a suggestion that there will be an increase in cost cutting, but Just how much more austerity is the country willing to accept. Their reputation for good economic management is completely blown.

The last period 2010 -2015 appeared to have achieved nothing except to put enormous pressure on the NHS, and forced so many cuts on LAs and public services etc.

I suspect that Truss turned to Hunt because of his rhetoric when running for party leadership, which if you look at it is very Truss in tone.

It isn’t going to work and that will become obvious very quickly indeed.

Truss will go and Sunak will be crowned.

grannygranby Mon 17-Oct-22 15:42:01

I think the knee jerk anti-Truss fever has a lot to do with sexism and classism, an excuse for rampant misogyny to come out of the closet.
The country obviously feels more comfortable when there is an upper-
middle-class male in charge.
So we all know Truss’s faults, what were her strengths? : well she had more experience than anyone else, having served on front bench with four prime ministers over ten years. Her co-workers trusted her. She was hard working. She got things done. She worked well with the civil service. This was attractive after Boris, but people quickly tired of her non -performative behaviour. Wooden, flat, boring. They remembered how Boris amused and could charm the leg off a donkey…
I’m not a Tory but I had rather hoped they’d have voted for Ben Wallace but he quickly stepped down from the race and backed Truss with whom, as minister of defence, he had worked under when she was foreign secretary. So don’t all go blaming the membership for being unrepresentative and stupid. Sunak was arrogant and patronising , had dual passport, tax dodging wife and was overly privileged. One thing you can certainly say about public schools they teach public speaking which comprehensives rarely do. And it is true that a leader is a performance role.
So I’m irritated how every mistake is now laid at Truss’s feet. Ludicrous. Her mistake was not just giving money to everyone with the energy cap for two years but giving tax cuts to the rich. (Which I agree was stupid politically as there are a lot more poor than rich) The market, who really run the game, were most bothered though by her cap on energy prices across the board for two years. Well that’s been scrapped. Now just six months.
Hunt was hated as minister of health. We’ll see how he goes.
It’s as though people have been brainwashed into accepting ANYTHING as long as it isn’t Liz Truss. Many many women don’t like a woman leader. The times I heard on vox pops uneducated women saying how brainy Sunak was and how stupid she was. I remember one saying she should be a back room girl in a shop. Truss and Sunak both went to Oxford, same degree. Gobsmackingly sexist.
The last two female PM’s left in tears. I hope it doesn’t happen to a third.
PS She was also the first minister to say sex matters in regard to separate facilities for safety and fairness and to defend the rights of women being called mothers. She gets a lot of kudos from me for that.
PPS Apparently Truss hatred is so great that more people believe that the moon landing was a fake than those that support her. Shameful. She doesn’t deserve that. It’s a witch hunt.

MayBee70 Mon 17-Oct-22 14:56:54

When Kwarteng spoke at the party conference he mentioned ‘the plan of ten years ago’ and quickly changed it to ‘10 days’. But Truss and Kwarteng, having written their book had planned this economic policy for years. They were like two kids who’d been let loose in a sweet shop and couldn’t wait to implement their financial policy regardless of whether it was the right time to do so. It’s almost unbelievable that this has been allowed to happen but we are living in very strange times.

undines Mon 17-Oct-22 14:52:15

It's unbelievable, although we all saw it coming. The Tories have no honour, no credibility, no cohesion, no principles, no care for anyone/anything other than being in power and looking after their investors. It started when they elected that lying narcissist Johnson who got rid of anyone who opposed him, or could in any way be a threat to him - i.e. almost everyone reasonable. His tradition of 'say anything as long as it serves your interests' has been perpetuated in those with less ability (yes, it seems possible!) and less chutzpah. Whatever the polls say, the only morally acceptable thing the Tories can possibly do now is have an election. But I'm not holding my breath!

Callistemon21 Mon 17-Oct-22 13:31:25

Petera

Has anyone heard anything from her in the last few days?

And maybe this is a side effect of being old, but I echo what I read somewhere else - I feel strangely concerned about her parents watching all of this...

Her parents must be bemused at her and her politics.
She described them as 'to the left of Labour'.

Grantanow Mon 17-Oct-22 13:28:10

The Tory Party membership cannot be trusted to make a grown-up choice. Tory MPs must act now to get rid of Truss and appoint someone who can reconstitute the Cabinet to rid us of Truss acolytes like Coffee and Rees-Mogg among others. Truss's constituency party should deselect her for the next GE. Whether Hunt should continue as C of the E is for a new PM to decide.

Anneeba Mon 17-Oct-22 13:09:48

Lucca, James Naughtie was spot on. Hunt will continue to destroy the NHS along with all the other state funded entities in our country. Horrendous.

Jess20 Mon 17-Oct-22 13:03:03

Wasn't Hunt the health minister who oversaw the demise of a safe and effective health service? Historically low funding, closures, missed targets....dismantling the NHS, selling off land, growing delipidation, the junior doctors strike and so on. Private companies stepping in to make up shortfall, creaming off the profitable bits... cutting training places and GP budgets and selling bits off to big business? Is anyone going to trust this man? The co author of 'Direct Democracy' which aims to allow private companies right into the NHS.... Oh yes, a safe pair of hands!

Theoddbird Mon 17-Oct-22 12:49:48

Armchair politicians....rife on here. If any of you were in charge the country would be on its knees...hahaha. I actually like Hunt. He is what I would call 'a sensible chap'. I was impressed with his interview with Laura Kuenssberg yesterday.

Petera Mon 17-Oct-22 12:41:03

Has anyone heard anything from her in the last few days?

And maybe this is a side effect of being old, but I echo what I read somewhere else - I feel strangely concerned about her parents watching all of this...

MaizieD Mon 17-Oct-22 12:33:12

Dillonsgranma

Bring back Boris. He got us through the Covid crisis and I reckon he could get us through this mess up as well

'Boris' landed us in this mess by appointing a cabinet full of incompetents and far right free market loons. He's better off where he is, lying to US audiences about how wonderful he is...

MayBee70 Mon 17-Oct-22 12:32:53

MaizieD

StoneofDestiny

He ran down the NHS - now he can run down the whole country!

Indeed!

I posted a link detailing his record with the NHS yesterday. Here it is again (can't possibly precis it because there's too much detail). It's a long read but worth it

www.opendemocracy.net/en/jeremy-hunt-tory-leadership-boris-johnson-nhs-junior-doctors/

I think he now has his eye on austerity; which will finish us off...

I know it’s long but I think everyone needs to read this! In fact it should be printed on the front page of every newspaper (as if!)

Scottiebear Mon 17-Oct-22 12:31:45

I foresee Truss going and being replaced by Sunak. He was Hunt's choice, so hopefully it would bring some harmony to the chaos.

Dillonsgranma Mon 17-Oct-22 12:30:21

Bring back Boris. He got us through the Covid crisis and I reckon he could get us through this mess up as well

MaizieD Mon 17-Oct-22 12:28:30

StoneofDestiny

He ran down the NHS - now he can run down the whole country!

Indeed!

I posted a link detailing his record with the NHS yesterday. Here it is again (can't possibly precis it because there's too much detail). It's a long read but worth it

www.opendemocracy.net/en/jeremy-hunt-tory-leadership-boris-johnson-nhs-junior-doctors/

I think he now has his eye on austerity; which will finish us off...

StoneofDestiny Mon 17-Oct-22 12:21:43

He ran down the NHS - now he can run down the whole country!

sonya411 Mon 17-Oct-22 12:19:05

The Tory members & Mp's followed Boris's plea to back Truss, instead of realising he wanted someone worse than him in the job. So instead of asking why, they followed like sheep and did his bidding.
Now Truss has realised she's out of her depth so asked one of her rival's friends to help her out. Which actually does the opposite of what she wanted.

DaisyAnne Mon 17-Oct-22 12:13:40

Do you mean you would be happy for this government to have ended up costing us even more than they already have Gwenisgreat1? That would run the economy into the ground. Or have I misread what you are saying?

Gwenisgreat1 Mon 17-Oct-22 12:10:34

Personally I think they should have left well alone until the General Election, but I feel Rishi was being too ambitious, he wanted to be Prime Minister!

Grany Mon 17-Oct-22 10:01:00

Hunt was disastrous as Health Minister

Stephen Fry throws his weight behind campaign to prevent deaths from outsourcing of NHS services

Stephen Fry and a group of other celebrities have joined a campaign asking NHS leaders to act to prevent deaths as a result of outsourcing of health services.

The group has written an open letter to NHS chairs following a new study published in The Lancet which links NHS privatisation to 557 deaths. The study suggests the deaths may be a result of “a decline in the quality of health-care services” when run by for-profit private companies, as compared to when those services are run directly by the NHS.

bright-green.org/2022/10/16/stephen-fry-throws-his-weight-behind-campaign-to-prevent-deaths-from-outsourcing-of-nhs-services/

rosie1959 Mon 17-Oct-22 09:35:07

Daisymae

rosie1959

Jeremy Hunt is to deliver part of his medium term fiscal plan today apparently. The chaos continues.

Exactly how are Truss and the rest of the government going to get behind him? They have no authority, zero credibility.

Let’s face it the chance of a general election is slim to nothing so one way or another they are going to have to sort it out.
Will probably get rid of Truss and put Sunak or Wallace in her place
Suspect Sunak is thinking told you so

GrannyGravy13 Mon 17-Oct-22 08:47:43

Whitewavemark2

GrannyGravy13

It’s been reported that the markets have eased this morning and the cost of borrowing on the open market has already come down,

My take on that is that the money people are happy with Jeremy Hunt.

The question now is

Is the voter happy with Hunt’s policies?

That is something that only a GE can show, not sure there will be an early one,

Whitewavemark2 Mon 17-Oct-22 08:44:01

GrannyGravy13

It’s been reported that the markets have eased this morning and the cost of borrowing on the open market has already come down,

My take on that is that the money people are happy with Jeremy Hunt.

The question now is

Is the voter happy with Hunt’s policies?

GrannyGravy13 Mon 17-Oct-22 08:34:33

It’s been reported that the markets have eased this morning and the cost of borrowing on the open market has already come down,

My take on that is that the money people are happy with Jeremy Hunt.

Daisymae Mon 17-Oct-22 07:53:24

rosie1959

Jeremy Hunt is to deliver part of his medium term fiscal plan today apparently. The chaos continues.

Exactly how are Truss and the rest of the government going to get behind him? They have no authority, zero credibility.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 17-Oct-22 07:02:26

rosie1959

Wasn’t it a quote by Mrs Thatcher you can’t buck the markets

She would say that though given her beliefs in laissez faire. Didn’t work then, ended up with 3 million unemployed, whole swathes of industries collapsing and empty high streets.
Has failed spectacularly now with Truss Laissez faire that has just again ruined our economy, and reputation.