So is Hunt the Prime minister in all but name?

DaisyAnne

Casdon

Pharmacists are highly trained clinicians, who already prescribe many medications which were previously the province of doctors only. In principle I don’t think there will be an issue with them prescribing certain antibiotics, which will be restricted to very specific circumstances/conditions and notified to GPS when prescribed. Dentists already do the same.
I totally agree about not sharing medication though, very irresponsible (and ignorant) of Therese Coffey to suggest that.

I don't doubt pharmacists can do the job. That was not my point. There is a shortage of pharmacists as well as of doctors, etc. It's all very well asking them to do more but if we are not careful, we will have the same burn out and they will leave, just as the staff are in hospitals and GP surgeries.

Pharmacy isn’t a shortage specialty in the way that medicine is though, and for the majority of pharmacists it’s choice between working in a hospital or a community pharmacy, so one sector’s loss will benefit the other.

Forgot to add the third newer choice, which is community pharmacists attached to GP surgeries, they have skills which are very highly valued there too.

Casdon, our community pharmacist supplements the GP practice, which used to be outstanding but is struggling. He once ensured the practice saw my poorly grandchild, after the surgery refused. The 3 year old was admitted to hospital, stayed there 4 nights. Life saving and no wonder people descend of A and E

Casdon

DaisyAnne

Casdon

Pharmacists are highly trained clinicians, who already prescribe many medications which were previously the province of doctors only. In principle I don’t think there will be an issue with them prescribing certain antibiotics, which will be restricted to very specific circumstances/conditions and notified to GPS when prescribed. Dentists already do the same.
I totally agree about not sharing medication though, very irresponsible (and ignorant) of Therese Coffey to suggest that.

I don't doubt pharmacists can do the job. That was not my point. There is a shortage of pharmacists as well as of doctors, etc. It's all very well asking them to do more but if we are not careful, we will have the same burn out and they will leave, just as the staff are in hospitals and GP surgeries.

Pharmacy isn’t a shortage specialty in the way that medicine is though, and for the majority of pharmacists it’s choice between working in a hospital or a community pharmacy, so one sector’s loss will benefit the other.

I have only heard it from those in recruitment Casdon. They are finding a shortage and the Pharmacists are commanding very good money. But what do I know

Jeremy Hunt is an unrepentant Remainer. He was shunned by Johnson and, until now, by Truss. I am sure there are going to be further changes to this ramshackle cabinet, to further redress the balance that has been lacking since 2016.

Idiots like Therese Coffey handing out surplus antibiotics is one of the reasons we now have antibiotic resistant bacteria. It says a lot about the calibre of our current government.

Apparently she also says nurses who are unhappy with their pay and conditions should leave and we will recruit nurses from abroad. So she expects people to take jobs here when others are leaving because the conditions are so bad? And that's before you go into the morality of taking other countries' nurses.

annodomini

Jeremy Hunt is an unrepentant Remainer. He was shunned by Johnson and, until now, by Truss. I am sure there are going to be further changes to this ramshackle cabinet, to further redress the balance that has been lacking since 2016.

Which would mean she would be a puppet PM. I suppose the Tory party might go along with that.

Coffey is a drinking smoking health secretary who, as a Catholic seems to be a bit ambiguous about where she stands on abortion. So it doesn’t surprise me that she’s advising people to share medicine.

DaisyAnne

Casdon

DaisyAnne

Casdon

Pharmacists are highly trained clinicians, who already prescribe many medications which were previously the province of doctors only. In principle I don’t think there will be an issue with them prescribing certain antibiotics, which will be restricted to very specific circumstances/conditions and notified to GPS when prescribed. Dentists already do the same.
I totally agree about not sharing medication though, very irresponsible (and ignorant) of Therese Coffey to suggest that.

I don't doubt pharmacists can do the job. That was not my point. There is a shortage of pharmacists as well as of doctors, etc. It's all very well asking them to do more but if we are not careful, we will have the same burn out and they will leave, just as the staff are in hospitals and GP surgeries.

Pharmacy isn’t a shortage specialty in the way that medicine is though, and for the majority of pharmacists it’s choice between working in a hospital or a community pharmacy, so one sector’s loss will benefit the other.

I have only heard it from those in recruitment Casdon. They are finding a shortage and the Pharmacists are commanding very good money. But what do I know

The number of British pharmacy graduates matches the demand for roles, but of course the best ones do get head hunted - a lot of them like specialism, so the roles working for GP practices, particularly where there is the opportunity of buying into the partnership is more attractive than, say, working as a salaried pharmacist in a chemists shop. Recruitment is harder in less specialist jobs, as it is in non career grade medical roles, and therefore that’s where a lot of newly qualified pharmacists end up after their probationary year.

Hmm: little unsure unsure about how I feel about pharmacists being expected to make decisions on the administration of antibiotics. I am very confident about how I feel about utterly unqualified MPs deciding on the administration of antibiotics....

Going back to annodomini's post Sat 15-Oct-22 21:10:49 and whether the Tories would be satisfied with Truss as a puppet PM. I can't see that they will. If she was good at fronting it all and attracting votes, they might. But she just isn't, is she.

Chocolatelovinggran

Hmm: little unsure unsure about how I feel about pharmacists being expected to make decisions on the administration of antibiotics. I am very confident about how I feel about utterly unqualified MPs deciding on the administration of antibiotics....

Quite

Chocolatelovinggran

Hmm: little unsure unsure about how I feel about pharmacists being expected to make decisions on the administration of antibiotics. I am very confident about how I feel about utterly unqualified MPs deciding on the administration of antibiotics....

Presumably to administer antibiotics you must first diagnose the problem. I assume that requires a trained medical practitioner, which a pharmacist isn’t.

DaisyAnne

Going back to annodomini's post Sat 15-Oct-22 21:10:49 and whether the Tories would be satisfied with Truss as a puppet PM. I can't see that they will. If she was good at fronting it all and attracting votes, they might. But she just isn't, is she.

Hunt will be front man for the foreseeable future I think. I wonder if she’ll be at PMQT on Wednesday?

Whitewavemark2

Chocolatelovinggran

Hmm: little unsure unsure about how I feel about pharmacists being expected to make decisions on the administration of antibiotics. I am very confident about how I feel about utterly unqualified MPs deciding on the administration of antibiotics....

Presumably to administer antibiotics you must first diagnose the problem. I assume that requires a trained medical practitioner, which a pharmacist isn’t.

It would be done by algorithm, for specific conditions which require antibiotics only. The pharmacists receive advanced training and certification for additional roles already, this would become another one of those. In reality, the prescribing done by a pharmacist is likely to be at least as good as the prescribing done by a GP for those specific conditions, as they will follow the protocols. GPS are skilled at diagnosis of a vast range of conditions, but pharmacists are the prescribing experts, I’d have no concern at being prescribed an antibiotic for say, my septic toe, by a pharmacist.

MayBee70

DaisyAnne

Going back to annodomini's post Sat 15-Oct-22 21:10:49 and whether the Tories would be satisfied with Truss as a puppet PM. I can't see that they will. If she was good at fronting it all and attracting votes, they might. But she just isn't, is she.

Hunt will be front man for the foreseeable future I think. I wonder if she’ll be at PMQT on Wednesday?

She really has very little to offer. I wonder if she will decide enough is enough.

Pharmacists have been an integral part of the hospital teams in some departments in our Welsh hospital for some time now. They held phone consultations with patients throughout the pandemic and now that seems to be part of the normal routine.
They may know more about drugs and their effects and possible reactions than doctors but can't answer many medical questions so it's not really satisfactory.

MerylStreep

My step daughter is payroll manager at a fruit farm in Kent.
No problem at all getting migrant workers. They all get regular 6 months visas.

I did read that one large grower in or near Maidstone had invested in 'proper' accommodation (static caravans), some 'leisure' options and transport to and from the fields for its seasonal workers - many of whom were from Ukraine originally. I think they now have to find workers from Vietnam and Indonesia.
They tried to recruit locally, but that proved difficult and the recruitment manager did admit that the work was "hard" going.
From what I've heard from a family friend who works in the industry in Lincolnshire, they have not been so successful.

So can this be fundamentally seen as a battle that the markets have won, and a humbling of the British government?

This humiliation has been brought down upon our heads - Trussonomics - by the same people who thought up and fraudulently forced Brexit through.

I doubt that Truss will last the week. The papers are full of reports of senior Tories plotting her removal. She can't possibly govern.

Someone on Mumsnet said that Hunt has effectively been handed Governmental Power of Attorney.

A pretty accurate description, I thought..

Whitewavemark2

So can this be fundamentally seen as a battle that the markets have won, and a humbling of the British government?

Yes. It’s a good job it happened so speedily before any pension funds collapsed.

Casdon

Whitewavemark2

So can this be fundamentally seen as a battle that the markets have won, and a humbling of the British government?

Yes. It’s a good job it happened so speedily before any pension funds collapsed.

I don't think it's 'good job' if we're going to be dictated to by the financial markets in the future. It'll be as bad as being dictated to by the Murdoch press and Tufton Street ?

MaizieD

Casdon

Whitewavemark2

So can this be fundamentally seen as a battle that the markets have won, and a humbling of the British government?

Yes. It’s a good job it happened so speedily before any pension funds collapsed.

I don't think it's 'good job' if we're going to be dictated to by the financial markets in the future. It'll be as bad as being dictated to by the Murdoch press and Tufton Street ?

No, I agree, I meant in this specific situation when we we were teetering on a financial abyss.