Anything is possible though.
The situation is fluid?
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So is Hunt the Prime minister in all but name?
(156 Posts)It seems that he is Truss’s watchdog, or the CEO as a Tory described him. He will almost certainly become he main spokesperson, given Truss’s abysmal performance.
But it is clear that the Tories are completely split, and one wonders if they can ever form a United party.
The issue with Hunt imo is that he is closely associated with austerity - close to Cameron. Very distrusted by the doctors and nurses.
There is now a suggestion that there will be an increase in cost cutting, but Just how much more austerity is the country willing to accept. Their reputation for good economic management is completely blown.
The last period 2010 -2015 appeared to have achieved nothing except to put enormous pressure on the NHS, and forced so many cuts on LAs and public services etc.
I suspect that Truss turned to Hunt because of his rhetoric when running for party leadership, which if you look at it is very Truss in tone.
It isn’t going to work and that will become obvious very quickly indeed.
Truss will go and Sunak will be crowned.
Whitewavemark2
A picture of Tory chaos
That is one calendar I won't be having on my wall!
Whitewavemark2
Anything is possible though.
The situation is fluid?
Like thick mud and worse.
I think Truss is so shallow, she will go along with Hunt being ‘caretaker PM’ just so she can ‘appear’ to hold the role. Remember, this is a woman who has ‘changed her mind’ on many big issues in the past:
1) she was a Lib Dem.
2) she called for Monarchy to be abolished yet is now happy to curtesy to King C.
3) on Brexit she was a remainer but ‘changed her mind’.
These are not insignificant ideas - they are major principles. We have a PM who appears to change her mind all to easily when it suits her. She’s not a highly principled person so I think she’ll go along with Hunt’s complete reversal of her ‘trickle down’ rubbish as long as it means she keeps the keys to No 10!
Whitewavemark2
It seems he has already announced cuts and higher taxes. Well that will definitely do zero to promote growth.
He appears to have reversed all of Truss’s economic plans. We are heading back to austerity. That did so much to prevent growth. In fact it made the working class so unhappy that they turned to Brexit in desperation, and the chaos that started with Brexit has ended with where we are now.
So, I ask
Who is in charge?
A few Brexit voters admitted that they voted for it to "sock it to Cameron" - they disliked the man and his 'out-of-touch' policies.
And so ushered in the next Tory government.
Led by a PM who, whilst pretending to be in touch with the mood of the country, immediately set to work to impoverish the ordinary working man /woman further. A man who was totally indifferent to the principles of good governance, to honesty, to integrity.
And now look where we are...
I do not believe, nor never will, that Brexit was for the good of the country as a whole. The biggest beneficiaries have been those at the top. It was an act of self-harm brought about by lies and deception.
The imperfections of the EU and their effect on the UK were nothing compared to what is being inflicted on us now.
And we are currently scouring the world to find immigrants to replace those who left due to Brexit, to fill the posts and positions that they abandoned. Many who will be from a background and culture which is totally alien to ours, let that be said because immigration was a hot topic during Brexit discussions. Not to mention the immorality of poaching qualified people from countries who probably cannot afford to lose them.
And did the fruit and vegetables ever get picked - or did much of it rot in the fields?
Austerity, Brexit, the pandemic, lockdowns, furlough, war, and the global hike in energy prices, the NHS on its knees, the ambulance service virtually not able to function (I waited 6 hours for an ambulance after passing out with a blood pressure of 192, unable to ferry myself or arrange any alternative transport - but let that pass, others were in an even worse state than me, my 'story' is now typical)... and Truss' main priority is to award uncosted tax cuts to the already wealthy?
Madness, utter madness. And there is worse to come.
Good post dickens.
Dickens. Agreed +++
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My step daughter is payroll manager at a fruit farm in Kent.
No problem at all getting migrant workers. They all get regular 6 months visas.
Hunt is effectively PM. But he is controlled by various factions within the party. Truss is now a puppet PM. So much for democracy. It’s quite clever what they’ve done though given that they couldn’t really have another leadership contest.
MerylStreep
My step daughter is payroll manager at a fruit farm in Kent.
No problem at all getting migrant workers. They all get regular 6 months visas.
I haven't noticed a shortage of fruit and veg - will there be? I suppose there'll be the usual panic about sprouts soo.
soo = soon
Utter and complete insanity. Time to change the Health Secretary
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Hunt is effectively PM. But he is controlled by various factions within the party. Truss is now a puppet PM. So much for democracy. It’s quite clever what they’ve done though given that they couldn’t really have another leadership contest.
Absolutely MayBe! A very clever move. The Tories knew they simply couldn’t just get rid of Truss and put in another unelected PM. Even for them, it was getting embarrassing; not to mention totally undemocratic. So, Truss is a puppet PM with Hunt telling her what to do / say.
Whitewavemark2
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The nurse friend I spoke to the other day told me about this. But we are supposed to be preventing overuse of antibiotics and surely pharmacists will feel they have to prescribe them just to be on the safe side. Also nurses are going to be given more and more responsibility. Mind you I’d rather see an experienced nurse than an inexperienced doctor. The one that gave us our pneumonia vaccine the other day was brilliant.
MayBee70
Whitewavemark2
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The nurse friend I spoke to the other day told me about this. But we are supposed to be preventing overuse of antibiotics and surely pharmacists will feel they have to prescribe them just to be on the safe side. Also nurses are going to be given more and more responsibility. Mind you I’d rather see an experienced nurse than an inexperienced doctor. The one that gave us our pneumonia vaccine the other day was brilliant.
Is there any way she can be made to go? There is something very weird going on or why would she do that. I feel sorry for the pharmacists. What an invidious position to put them in.
You can, of course, buy antibiotics over the counter in some other countries. So, we continue towards privatised medical care.
Whitewavemark2
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I despair, I really do.
It is the sharing of medicines that gets me. We are always told by doctors never share medicines.
Whitewavemark2
It is the sharing of medicines that gets me. We are always told by doctors never share medicines.
It's just astonishing!!
DaisyAnne
MayBee70
Whitewavemark2
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The nurse friend I spoke to the other day told me about this. But we are supposed to be preventing overuse of antibiotics and surely pharmacists will feel they have to prescribe them just to be on the safe side. Also nurses are going to be given more and more responsibility. Mind you I’d rather see an experienced nurse than an inexperienced doctor. The one that gave us our pneumonia vaccine the other day was brilliant.
Is there any way she can be made to go? There is something very weird going on or why would she do that. I feel sorry for the pharmacists. What an invidious position to put them in.
You can, of course, buy antibiotics over the counter in some other countries. So, we continue towards privatised medical care.
I don’t think they can make her go because to have another unelected PM would surely mean an election. Neither can she apologise to the country and resign (which is what she should do) because that would surely mean an election, too.
Pharmacists are highly trained clinicians, who already prescribe many medications which were previously the province of doctors only. In principle I don’t think there will be an issue with them prescribing certain antibiotics, which will be restricted to very specific circumstances/conditions and notified to GPS when prescribed. Dentists already do the same.
I totally agree about not sharing medication though, very irresponsible (and ignorant) of Therese Coffey to suggest that.
Whitewavemark2
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Casdon
Pharmacists are highly trained clinicians, who already prescribe many medications which were previously the province of doctors only. In principle I don’t think there will be an issue with them prescribing certain antibiotics, which will be restricted to very specific circumstances/conditions and notified to GPS when prescribed. Dentists already do the same.
I totally agree about not sharing medication though, very irresponsible (and ignorant) of Therese Coffey to suggest that.
I don't doubt pharmacists can do the job. That was not my point. There is a shortage of pharmacists as well as of doctors, etc. It's all very well asking them to do more but if we are not careful, we will have the same burn out and they will leave, just as the staff are in hospitals and GP surgeries.
Good point DaisyAnne, about the risks pharmacists will burn out under pressure.
Pharmacists in other European countries can sell antibiotics, I see no reason why that doesn’t happen here. The problem we have is an NHS burdened in every area of care. We are short gp’s, midwives, nurses, dentists. Our excellent pharmacist seems to be propping up our nhs
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