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So is Hunt the Prime minister in all but name?

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Whitewavemark2 Sat 15-Oct-22 07:35:00

It seems that he is Truss’s watchdog, or the CEO as a Tory described him. He will almost certainly become he main spokesperson, given Truss’s abysmal performance.

But it is clear that the Tories are completely split, and one wonders if they can ever form a United party.

The issue with Hunt imo is that he is closely associated with austerity - close to Cameron. Very distrusted by the doctors and nurses.

There is now a suggestion that there will be an increase in cost cutting, but Just how much more austerity is the country willing to accept. Their reputation for good economic management is completely blown.

The last period 2010 -2015 appeared to have achieved nothing except to put enormous pressure on the NHS, and forced so many cuts on LAs and public services etc.

I suspect that Truss turned to Hunt because of his rhetoric when running for party leadership, which if you look at it is very Truss in tone.

It isn’t going to work and that will become obvious very quickly indeed.

Truss will go and Sunak will be crowned.

annodomini Sat 15-Oct-22 21:10:49

Jeremy Hunt is an unrepentant Remainer. He was shunned by Johnson and, until now, by Truss. I am sure there are going to be further changes to this ramshackle cabinet, to further redress the balance that has been lacking since 2016.

DaisyAnne Sat 15-Oct-22 20:52:41

Casdon

DaisyAnne

Casdon

Pharmacists are highly trained clinicians, who already prescribe many medications which were previously the province of doctors only. In principle I don’t think there will be an issue with them prescribing certain antibiotics, which will be restricted to very specific circumstances/conditions and notified to GPS when prescribed. Dentists already do the same.
I totally agree about not sharing medication though, very irresponsible (and ignorant) of Therese Coffey to suggest that.

I don't doubt pharmacists can do the job. That was not my point. There is a shortage of pharmacists as well as of doctors, etc. It's all very well asking them to do more but if we are not careful, we will have the same burn out and they will leave, just as the staff are in hospitals and GP surgeries.

Pharmacy isn’t a shortage specialty in the way that medicine is though, and for the majority of pharmacists it’s choice between working in a hospital or a community pharmacy, so one sector’s loss will benefit the other.

I have only heard it from those in recruitment Casdon. They are finding a shortage and the Pharmacists are commanding very good money. But what do I know blush

Iam64 Sat 15-Oct-22 20:48:53

Casdon, our community pharmacist supplements the GP practice, which used to be outstanding but is struggling. He once ensured the practice saw my poorly grandchild, after the surgery refused. The 3 year old was admitted to hospital, stayed there 4 nights. Life saving and no wonder people descend of A and E

Casdon Sat 15-Oct-22 20:15:03

Forgot to add the third newer choice, which is community pharmacists attached to GP surgeries, they have skills which are very highly valued there too.

Casdon Sat 15-Oct-22 20:13:17

DaisyAnne

Casdon

Pharmacists are highly trained clinicians, who already prescribe many medications which were previously the province of doctors only. In principle I don’t think there will be an issue with them prescribing certain antibiotics, which will be restricted to very specific circumstances/conditions and notified to GPS when prescribed. Dentists already do the same.
I totally agree about not sharing medication though, very irresponsible (and ignorant) of Therese Coffey to suggest that.

I don't doubt pharmacists can do the job. That was not my point. There is a shortage of pharmacists as well as of doctors, etc. It's all very well asking them to do more but if we are not careful, we will have the same burn out and they will leave, just as the staff are in hospitals and GP surgeries.

Pharmacy isn’t a shortage specialty in the way that medicine is though, and for the majority of pharmacists it’s choice between working in a hospital or a community pharmacy, so one sector’s loss will benefit the other.

Iam64 Sat 15-Oct-22 19:54:42

Good point DaisyAnne, about the risks pharmacists will burn out under pressure.
Pharmacists in other European countries can sell antibiotics, I see no reason why that doesn’t happen here. The problem we have is an NHS burdened in every area of care. We are short gp’s, midwives, nurses, dentists. Our excellent pharmacist seems to be propping up our nhs

DaisyAnne Sat 15-Oct-22 19:43:32

Casdon

Pharmacists are highly trained clinicians, who already prescribe many medications which were previously the province of doctors only. In principle I don’t think there will be an issue with them prescribing certain antibiotics, which will be restricted to very specific circumstances/conditions and notified to GPS when prescribed. Dentists already do the same.
I totally agree about not sharing medication though, very irresponsible (and ignorant) of Therese Coffey to suggest that.

I don't doubt pharmacists can do the job. That was not my point. There is a shortage of pharmacists as well as of doctors, etc. It's all very well asking them to do more but if we are not careful, we will have the same burn out and they will leave, just as the staff are in hospitals and GP surgeries.

Shinamae Sat 15-Oct-22 18:32:19

Whitewavemark2

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Casdon Sat 15-Oct-22 18:16:15

Pharmacists are highly trained clinicians, who already prescribe many medications which were previously the province of doctors only. In principle I don’t think there will be an issue with them prescribing certain antibiotics, which will be restricted to very specific circumstances/conditions and notified to GPS when prescribed. Dentists already do the same.
I totally agree about not sharing medication though, very irresponsible (and ignorant) of Therese Coffey to suggest that.

MayBee70 Sat 15-Oct-22 18:10:28

DaisyAnne

MayBee70

Whitewavemark2

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The nurse friend I spoke to the other day told me about this. But we are supposed to be preventing overuse of antibiotics and surely pharmacists will feel they have to prescribe them just to be on the safe side. Also nurses are going to be given more and more responsibility. Mind you I’d rather see an experienced nurse than an inexperienced doctor. The one that gave us our pneumonia vaccine the other day was brilliant.

Is there any way she can be made to go? There is something very weird going on or why would she do that. I feel sorry for the pharmacists. What an invidious position to put them in.

You can, of course, buy antibiotics over the counter in some other countries. So, we continue towards privatised medical care.

I don’t think they can make her go because to have another unelected PM would surely mean an election. Neither can she apologise to the country and resign (which is what she should do) because that would surely mean an election, too.

Callistemon21 Sat 15-Oct-22 18:03:25

Whitewavemark2

It is the sharing of medicines that gets me. We are always told by doctors never share medicines.

It's just astonishing!!

Whitewavemark2 Sat 15-Oct-22 17:41:16

It is the sharing of medicines that gets me. We are always told by doctors never share medicines.

Callistemon21 Sat 15-Oct-22 17:30:37

Whitewavemark2

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I despair, I really do.

DaisyAnne Sat 15-Oct-22 17:22:33

MayBee70

Whitewavemark2

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The nurse friend I spoke to the other day told me about this. But we are supposed to be preventing overuse of antibiotics and surely pharmacists will feel they have to prescribe them just to be on the safe side. Also nurses are going to be given more and more responsibility. Mind you I’d rather see an experienced nurse than an inexperienced doctor. The one that gave us our pneumonia vaccine the other day was brilliant.

Is there any way she can be made to go? There is something very weird going on or why would she do that. I feel sorry for the pharmacists. What an invidious position to put them in.

You can, of course, buy antibiotics over the counter in some other countries. So, we continue towards privatised medical care.

MayBee70 Sat 15-Oct-22 14:26:55

Whitewavemark2

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The nurse friend I spoke to the other day told me about this. But we are supposed to be preventing overuse of antibiotics and surely pharmacists will feel they have to prescribe them just to be on the safe side. Also nurses are going to be given more and more responsibility. Mind you I’d rather see an experienced nurse than an inexperienced doctor. The one that gave us our pneumonia vaccine the other day was brilliant.

LizzieDrip Sat 15-Oct-22 14:14:21

Hunt is effectively PM. But he is controlled by various factions within the party. Truss is now a puppet PM. So much for democracy. It’s quite clever what they’ve done though given that they couldn’t really have another leadership contest.

Absolutely MayBe! A very clever move. The Tories knew they simply couldn’t just get rid of Truss and put in another unelected PM. Even for them, it was getting embarrassing; not to mention totally undemocratic. So, Truss is a puppet PM with Hunt telling her what to do / say.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 15-Oct-22 14:09:01

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Whitewavemark2 Sat 15-Oct-22 14:08:38

Utter and complete insanity. Time to change the Health Secretary

Callistemon21 Sat 15-Oct-22 14:05:14

soo = soon

Callistemon21 Sat 15-Oct-22 14:04:45

MerylStreep

My step daughter is payroll manager at a fruit farm in Kent.
No problem at all getting migrant workers. They all get regular 6 months visas.

I haven't noticed a shortage of fruit and veg - will there be? I suppose there'll be the usual panic about sprouts soo.

MayBee70 Sat 15-Oct-22 13:19:52

Hunt is effectively PM. But he is controlled by various factions within the party. Truss is now a puppet PM. So much for democracy. It’s quite clever what they’ve done though given that they couldn’t really have another leadership contest.

MerylStreep Sat 15-Oct-22 12:32:39

My step daughter is payroll manager at a fruit farm in Kent.
No problem at all getting migrant workers. They all get regular 6 months visas.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 15-Oct-22 12:16:31

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TopsyIrene06 Sat 15-Oct-22 11:45:35

Dickens. Agreed +++

Whitewavemark2 Sat 15-Oct-22 10:54:01

Good post dickens.