So is Hunt the Prime minister in all but name?

Whitewavemark2

It seems he has already announced cuts and higher taxes. Well that will definitely do zero to promote growth.

He appears to have reversed all of Truss’s economic plans. We are heading back to austerity. That did so much to prevent growth. In fact it made the working class so unhappy that they turned to Brexit in desperation, and the chaos that started with Brexit has ended with where we are now.

So, I ask

Who is in charge?

A few Brexit voters admitted that they voted for it to "sock it to Cameron" - they disliked the man and his 'out-of-touch' policies.

And so ushered in the next Tory government.

Led by a PM who, whilst pretending to be in touch with the mood of the country, immediately set to work to impoverish the ordinary working man /woman further. A man who was totally indifferent to the principles of good governance, to honesty, to integrity.

And now look where we are...

I do not believe, nor never will, that Brexit was for the good of the country as a whole. The biggest beneficiaries have been those at the top. It was an act of self-harm brought about by lies and deception.

The imperfections of the EU and their effect on the UK were nothing compared to what is being inflicted on us now.

And we are currently scouring the world to find immigrants to replace those who left due to Brexit, to fill the posts and positions that they abandoned. Many who will be from a background and culture which is totally alien to ours, let that be said because immigration was a hot topic during Brexit discussions. Not to mention the immorality of poaching qualified people from countries who probably cannot afford to lose them.

And did the fruit and vegetables ever get picked - or did much of it rot in the fields?

Austerity, Brexit, the pandemic, lockdowns, furlough, war, and the global hike in energy prices, the NHS on its knees, the ambulance service virtually not able to function (I waited 6 hours for an ambulance after passing out with a blood pressure of 192, unable to ferry myself or arrange any alternative transport - but let that pass, others were in an even worse state than me, my 'story' is now typical)... and Truss' main priority is to award uncosted tax cuts to the already wealthy?

Madness, utter madness. And there is worse to come.

I think Truss is so shallow, she will go along with Hunt being ‘caretaker PM’ just so she can ‘appear’ to hold the role. Remember, this is a woman who has ‘changed her mind’ on many big issues in the past:
1) she was a Lib Dem.
2) she called for Monarchy to be abolished yet is now happy to curtesy to King C.
3) on Brexit she was a remainer but ‘changed her mind’.

These are not insignificant ideas - they are major principles. We have a PM who appears to change her mind all to easily when it suits her. She’s not a highly principled person so I think she’ll go along with Hunt’s complete reversal of her ‘trickle down’ rubbish as long as it means she keeps the keys to No 10!

Whitewavemark2

Anything is possible though.

The situation is fluid?

Like thick mud and worse.

Whitewavemark2

A picture of Tory chaos

That is one calendar I won't be having on my wall!

Anything is possible though.

The situation is fluid?

It was a rumour a while ago - he might go to America?
I may have read it on GN, whitewave so take with a pinch of salt
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Just what does he know about economics? Asking for 1.6m NHS staff?

Callistemon21

Whitewavemark2

I reckon Hunt will the caretaker PM, whilst they are moving Sunak into post.

And if Sunak says he's leaving?

Oh! I haven’t heard that?

Whitewavemark2

I reckon Hunt will the caretaker PM, whilst they are moving Sunak into post.

And if Sunak says he's leaving?

Oldnproud totally agree with your post - couldn’t have put it better myself. What a devious lot!

We might one day get a chancellor bright enough to recognise that state spending is as much an engine of growth as is private investment, but Hunt isn't the one.

... this - emphatically, this.

They have no alternative but to install a new PM, whoever it is - if there's another party ballot god knows who the crazy members would come up with next!

There'll be no general election - the Tories have an 80-seat majority and know they face certain defeat in any future GE.

I reckon Hunt will the caretaker PM, whilst they are moving Sunak into post.

A picture of Tory chaos

I’m talking about Hunt btw?

It seems he has already announced cuts and higher taxes. Well that will definitely do zero to promote growth.

He appears to have reversed all of Truss’s economic plans. We are heading back to austerity. That did so much to prevent growth. In fact it made the working class so unhappy that they turned to Brexit in desperation, and the chaos that started with Brexit has ended with where we are now.

So, I ask

Who is in charge?

rosie1959

No point in the what ifs but if Sunak had been successful I very much doubt we would be in the position we are now.
Hunt regardless of Trusses promises has to be more realistic of what is possible at this moment in time.

I agree that we wouldn't have had the market turmoil, but we would still be looking at massive and very painful public spending cuts and no 'growth' to show for the pain.

I think he is prime minister in all but name. I also think she was told accept this or resign. It will be interesting to see what happens next. Gove and Shapps apparently plotting behind the scenes as usual according to the papers.

The rot set in when they voted BJ in - he was clearly totally unsuited to leadership and eventually they had to acknowledge that and get rid of him before he tarnished the UK's reputation any further.

But they had no decent people waiting in the wings, as we have seen. I think the Tories are stuffed for the foreseeable future and all we can do is wait for a general election. We are an international laughing stock that has gone on too long to be retrievable without a change of government.

I think Hunt was appointed in an effort to calm the markets. Whether or not this succeeds remains to be seen.

But we have a lot of pain to come domestically with spending cuts. Cuts that will just drag us (i.e the country) further down in to poverty and minimal growth.

We might one day get a chancellor bright enough to recognise that state spending is as much an engine of growth as is private investment, but Hunt isn't the one...

I first read that as ‘hunt the prime minister’ as in ‘hunt the thimble’.
Though IMO that’s applicable too, though ‘competent’ would need to be added.

No point in the what ifs but if Sunak had been successful I very much doubt we would be in the position we are now.
Hunt regardless of Trusses promises has to be more realistic of what is possible at this moment in time.

Hunt has said he’ll raise taxes and cut public spending. That’s the opposite of Truss’ promise.

Do you think that Truss actually had any say in Hunt's appointment?

My own gut reaction yesterday was that he was foisted on her by the big boys in the Party in an "either you accept this or you will be forced to resign immediately" scenario.

I think it was a damage-limitation / face-saving exercise done for the benefit of the party, who are more worried about optics than anything else. They must think that Truss nominally still in post as PM will look marginally better than their admitting that her appointment was a huge mistake and having to go through the embarrassing rigmarole of electing yet another leader in such a short space of time.

It just seems like delaying the inevitable to me, but hey-ho, it's only the good of the country that they are playing with!

So yes, WW, at the moment I do suspect that Hunt is currently Prime Minister in all but name.

Tactical voting by MP’s in the final stages I think vegansrock. Sunak was the darling of the MP’s. They needed a patsy with no charisma up against him so they loaded the dice for Truss to be up against Sunak. Then asked the membership to vote and we’re totally taken aback at the result. And now we all have to suffer the consequences.