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This afternoon in the Commons

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MawtheMerrier Mon 17-Oct-22 16:59:12

Rachel Reeves -excellent speech!
While Truss is sitting there looking like a noddy dog, Hunt is at least having a stab at doing his best to argue his case but IMO Reeves wiped the floor with the Front Bench

MawtheMerrier Mon 17-Oct-22 21:43:19

There was a "conspiracy" theory though wasn't there that the party would select someone so inadequate that the country would be begging Boris to come back and "save the day". And there are mutterings of "bring Boris back" aren't there?
Be careful what you wish for.

Wyllow3 Mon 17-Oct-22 21:31:43

I never thought she was up to it intellectually - the new economic stuff, how much she REALLY UNDERSTOOD. Lulled into over confidence by the closed votes and enthusiasm within the Party

but really....She did walk in eyes wide open as very experienced politician.

So I agree with Joseanne

"Send her packing but leave the nasty personal comments out."

Its appropriate to have reflective commentary - goodness knows, lessons to be learnt given the parlous state of economics/inflation at levels caused by those disastrous weeks - till things settle - but thats different.

RichmondPark1 Mon 17-Oct-22 21:30:35

I agree with you entirely Doodledog, her policies were appalling, inhumane and deserved to fail.

Her policies may be devoid of empathy but we aren't.

MayBee70 Mon 17-Oct-22 21:29:30

I don’t know who it was but a Conservative MP who’s standing down at the next election said we can’t have an election now because it’s bad for the country to have a weak opposition numbers wise and the Conservatives would be wiped out. But isn’t that precisely what the problem is now?

DaisyAnne Mon 17-Oct-22 21:25:09

I wish she would go, for her sake as much as for others. I pity the women. No one should have to go through this.

When Penny Mordant spoke about the need for Liz Truss to be away from the commons I began to think perhaps someone had died. Katy Balls tells us in the Spectator evening email that, Truss had been in a long-planned meeting with 1922 Committee chair Sir Graham Brady, which doesn't quite sound like the very serious reason Mordaunt cited for missing the UQ, unless Brady was telling her that she had to quit.

vegansrock Mon 17-Oct-22 21:23:57

She looked like she had overdone the medication. She just came in, sat there looking blank, walked out after 20 minutes. Bizarre.

growstuff Mon 17-Oct-22 21:23:20

Forsythia

That’s nice isn’t it. A nice bit of humanity there.

grin

I'm sure Truss is weeping buckets for the people whose mortgages have increased and are struggling to pay their bills.

Doodledog Mon 17-Oct-22 21:23:16

It's one thing to feel sorry on a human level for someone who has been humiliated, but don't forget that she didn't feel sorry for the people who have to suffer the humiliation of going to foodbanks, or of telling their children that there will be no presents at Christmas.

She prioritised tax cuts for bankers over an increase in benefits, would happily have got rid of paid leave and a cap on the number of hours in a working week, and wouldn't have cared about the family lives that were ruined as a result. Remember that when you give her your sympathy. I don't take pleasure in it, but my sympathies lie elsewhere, I'm afraid.

RichmondPark1 Mon 17-Oct-22 21:23:04

Whilst I feel sorry for Mrs Truss in her position today, her humiliation was not caused by Rachel Reeves and her colleagues but is the result of her own poor judgement, errors and failures and those of her colleagues.

Rather than looking forward to the failure of others I hope for a future when good politicians are successful to the benefit of the country.

Forsythia Mon 17-Oct-22 21:20:42

That’s nice isn’t it. A nice bit of humanity there.

growstuff Mon 17-Oct-22 21:19:13

PS. I have absolutely no sympathy for Truss. Nobody forced her to take the job.

growstuff Mon 17-Oct-22 21:18:08

I look forward to the day Reeves & Co are on the government front benches too.

Forsythia Mon 17-Oct-22 21:14:33

I also felt very sorry for her. I look forward to the day Rachel Reeves and co get a taste of their own medicine. Be careful what you wish for.

MaizieD Mon 17-Oct-22 21:08:49

I feel desperately sorry for her, too. I felt sorry for May, too, much as I disliked her.

If I were her I'd want to be gone before PMQs on Wednesday.

rubysong Mon 17-Oct-22 21:07:43

Like some others, I feel rather sorry for her. She was òut of her depth from the start. I can't imagine why the Conservative members voted for her instead of Richi. Goodness knows what will happen next.

RichmondPark1 Mon 17-Oct-22 20:57:15

Still want her to resign though.

Absolutely!

Joseanne Mon 17-Oct-22 20:52:24

I'm so heartened that there are some who feel a bit uncomfortable about wanting Liz Truss and her family to go through the mangle and destroy their lives.
It would make my day to see her go, but discussions about her young daughters in the same sentence as affairs and tantrums are out of order.
Send her packing but leave the nasty personal comments out.

grannyrebel7 Mon 17-Oct-22 20:44:01

Yes, she's a human being after all. She must be feeling terrible. Still want her to resign though.

Luckygirl3 Mon 17-Oct-22 20:43:57

I agree with you - it is pitiful to see this poor woman who has been promoted beyond her skills and is being so publicly humiliated. Sadly that is the nature of the job and she should have known this - and those who backed her should have known what they were getting her into.

It is a serious mess - I have no idea how we are going to get out of this in the short term.

RichmondPark1 Mon 17-Oct-22 20:35:02

I agree with you Grannmarie. I do not support Truss, the Tories or anything they stand for, but I felt for her and found it almost unbearable to watch her suffer the humiliation and failure she must have been so publicly enduring. It felt watching a wounded bear in a pit.

She might have brought it on herself, but it was something I would not wish on my worst enemy.

Interestingly I didn't feel the same when Johnson got his comeuppance. Perhaps because I feel he doesn't know the meaning of humiliation and failure.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 17-Oct-22 19:01:52

RichmondPark1

Is this really the triple lock under threat or is this the threat that the triple lock is under threat so that the threat can be removed in a Uturn in order to improve ratings?

Could be who knows?

Grannmarie Mon 17-Oct-22 18:47:38

RichmondPark1

Truss looks like she's had anaesthetic in order to attend.

I am not, and have never been, a fan of the Tories but I fear for her mental health. Also I feel so sorry for her parents and her children.

LadyHonoriaDedlock Mon 17-Oct-22 18:01:49

I think we have forgotten what it was like to have a PM who would face up to scrutiny honestly instead of either leaving difficult questions to underlings or bluffing and blustering through them.

Oldnproud Mon 17-Oct-22 18:00:21

RichmondPark1

Is this really the triple lock under threat or is this the threat that the triple lock is under threat so that the threat can be removed in a Uturn in order to improve ratings?

Ooh, that's an interesting theory. You might be onto something there!

RichmondPark1 Mon 17-Oct-22 17:56:51

Is this really the triple lock under threat or is this the threat that the triple lock is under threat so that the threat can be removed in a Uturn in order to improve ratings?