The Brexit Effect

Which countries would you say that we could be doing trade deals with, Katie59?. Deals good enough to replace the trade we have lost with the EU?

We don't seem to have been terribly successful at it so far.

I wonder how long it will take for the leavers to admit they were wrong?

I'm not holding my breath.

Whitewavemark2

Katie59

Being in a Customs Union with the EU imposes restrictions on trade with other countries. Turkey is the only significant non EU nation, as a candidate EU member which has not progressed.
The EU will be very careful before granting UK entry into just the Customs Union it is far more in our interest than theirs, the Swiss have been bending the customs rules for many years and they don’t want the UK doing the same.

You are confusing membership of the EU and a non-member joining the CU.

Joining the CU merely means that businesses will save thousands a year both of bureaucratic time and money.

That is all.

No, it does restrict the deals you can do with third countries which is why Turkey is not happy, no EU entry and restricted trade deals.

That should be

Maitlis

Interesting podcast with Emily Maitless and John Soper about Brexit this week. They had the Head of CBI and a EU bod on.

I think it is inevitable that we will move closer to Europe.

It seems to have been agreed by commentators that there has been something of an embargo on mentioning Brexit on much of the mainstream media over the last six years. It looks to be on the way to being breached lately.

I think this analysis by Ros Atkyns for the BBC is a strong indicator of the trend to more openness about the damage it has caused.

You can watch it via his tweet or go to the full edition of 'On the Week'

This week, Rishi Sunak talked of building 'an economy that embraces the opportunities of Brexit'. Here's 5 mins on Brexit's impact on the economy so far. Produced by Mary Fuller and Nicholas Barrett. You can watch the full edition of 'On the Week' here:
bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001djzz/ros-atkins-on-the-week-series-1-2-the-new-prime-ministers-challenges

twitter.com/BBCRosAtkins/status/1585894753023000577

Joining the Customs Union would be a good move to reduce paperwork for UK businesses but can have downsides in respect of trading with countries not in the CU. Of course, there would be conditions to be negotiated. None of this would be necessary if the UK had not shot itself in the foot by leaving the EU. Thank you, Brexiteers and Johnson and the Tory lunatic fringe.

Katie59

Being in a Customs Union with the EU imposes restrictions on trade with other countries. Turkey is the only significant non EU nation, as a candidate EU member which has not progressed.
The EU will be very careful before granting UK entry into just the Customs Union it is far more in our interest than theirs, the Swiss have been bending the customs rules for many years and they don’t want the UK doing the same.

You are confusing membership of the EU and a non-member joining the CU.

Joining the CU merely means that businesses will save thousands a year both of bureaucratic time and money.

That is all.

Being in a Customs Union with the EU imposes restrictions on trade with other countries. Turkey is the only significant non EU nation, as a candidate EU member which has not progressed.
The EU will be very careful before granting UK entry into just the Customs Union it is far more in our interest than theirs, the Swiss have been bending the customs rules for many years and they don’t want the UK doing the same.

You don’t understand Maizie (or perhaps you do) the extra paperwork is because the EU no longer have a part on the regulation process, we make our own rules and “could” be doing anything

The extra paperwork is because everything that is exported to the EU has to be accompanied by a customs declaration and it all has to be checked at the EU border. It is a result of becoming a third country. Joining the customs union would do away with much of that.

Everything sold into the EU has to conform to their standards and regulations.
This is the norm for any trade deal with any country. What is so hard to understand in this?

Repeating the 'we make our own rules' mantra doesn't alter anything when it comes to exporting from the UK.

MaizieD

^Everyone was refering to the “Customs Union”, it’s not just customs or cross border trade, it’s regulations and standards policed by the EU - us obeying their rules, without any input or vote.^

Don't you understand, Katie59, that anyone wanting to trade with the EU has to ensure that their goods comply with EU standards and regulations? Why are you making it sound as though UK businesses can now sell any old unregulated rubbish into the EU and that would have to stop if we joined the CU?

This applies to any trade agreement that the UK might make with any country in the world. A point which seems never to have penetrated the brains of many Leave voters.

The point of being in a Customs Union with the EU is that it reduces the amount of paper work and physical border checks which add cost and slow down the flow of goods. It removes barriers to trade...

You don’t understand Maizie (or perhaps you do) the extra paperwork is because the EU no longer have a part on the regulation process, we make our own rules and “could” be doing anything

It's total rubbish to suggest the UK had no say in rules made by the EU. Setting aside the co-decision arrangements with the EU Parliament (which is largely a talking shop with few powers) all rules were and are made by the EU Council of Ministers attended by the UK Prime Minister or other Minister as appropriate to the policy area in question. It was very rare for the UK to be in a minority when decisions were made because of the agreements made in advance with other nations and the voting system which reflects population sizes. Of course, UK Ministers of all Parties would blame the EU later for decisions they had voted for but knew to be politically unpopular back home. And the implementation of EU rules into UK law was a matter for the UK government and Parliament, not the EU, so there was scope to tailor the law to UK circumstances. I speak from direct experience.

Everyone was refering to the “Customs Union”, it’s not just customs or cross border trade, it’s regulations and standards policed by the EU - us obeying their rules, without any input or vote.

Don't you understand, Katie59, that anyone wanting to trade with the EU has to ensure that their goods comply with EU standards and regulations? Why are you making it sound as though UK businesses can now sell any old unregulated rubbish into the EU and that would have to stop if we joined the CU?

This applies to any trade agreement that the UK might make with any country in the world. A point which seems never to have penetrated the brains of many Leave voters.

The point of being in a Customs Union with the EU is that it reduces the amount of paper work and physical border checks which add cost and slow down the flow of goods. It removes barriers to trade...

DaisyAnne

Katie59

DaisyAnne

Was the EEA mentioned Katie59. I missed that.

The European Economic Area is the Customs Union or formerly European Free Trade Area

I know what it is Katie. I just wondered where it was mentioned previously as you seemed to be referring back.

Everyone was refering to the “Customs Union”, it’s not just customs or cross border trade, it’s regulations and standards policed by the EU - us obeying their rules, without any input or vote.

As I don't venture far from this forum I didn't know that, Iam64

So sorry to hear it. My condolences

MaizieD I hope you’re correct and we have irony in our midst.

I posted recently that the lovely mr i has died. I don’t want to go into detail but our experience over the 8 days following men dialling 999 to him dying surrounded by me and our children, absolutely demonstrated the pressures our nhs functions under.

Total bliddy lies on the side of that bus

Fleurpepper

Fleurpepper

Caleo

I Am 64, everyone who reads a newspaper knows the NHS has benefitted since Brexit , as promised . There is now a sufficiency of well paid nurses and doctors.

Where on earth did you read this? And how on earth did you actually believe it?

It is hard to fathom really.

Is the above really your answer to the question after your initial post?
You must be a politician yourself- great tactic!

I begin to suspect that someone's tongue is firmly in their cheek..

Fleurpepper

Caleo

I Am 64, everyone who reads a newspaper knows the NHS has benefitted since Brexit , as promised . There is now a sufficiency of well paid nurses and doctors.

Where on earth did you read this? And how on earth did you actually believe it?

It is hard to fathom really.

Is the above really your answer to the question after your initial post?
You must be a politician yourself- great tactic!

Fleurpepper, it's common knowledge these clever men and women in government know what to do to for the benefit of the old Country and its citizens.
I look forward to your rebuttal.

Whitewavemark2

Sunak will not succeed unless he confronts the reality of billions of lost revenue year on year due to Brexit.

If he doesn’t, his time as PM will end as all the others have ended.

In failure.

If he is not trying to gaslight the UK population - and he doesn't seem the type - then perhaps he can send people to the EU to talk about the laws regarding ours/their boarders and get something sensible sorted out.

It will give us some idea about how grounded this government is going to be.

Katie59

DaisyAnne

Was the EEA mentioned Katie59. I missed that.

The European Economic Area is the Customs Union or formerly European Free Trade Area

I know what it is Katie. I just wondered where it was mentioned previously as you seemed to be referring back.

Caleo

I Am 64, everyone who reads a newspaper knows the NHS has benefitted since Brexit , as promised . There is now a sufficiency of well paid nurses and doctors.

Where on earth did you read this? And how on earth did you actually believe it?

It is hard to fathom really.

Yes there are many rich people who want poor people to benefit and do their best to promote this.
The great problem is that there are so many people throughout the world who need more money/ wages, and it is hard as a government to bring this about.
Universal credit does help people on lower wages by topping them up to a certain level, but I would like to see benefits for disabilities, for those who can never work, go up in line with inflation.I thank God that I and all my family have been and are, able to work, but I know those who cannot.Life is a struggle.

Carnegie.

When has a rich person ever looked down and come up with a good solution to poverty?